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送交者: Pascal 2019年10月30日00:10:11 于 [五 味 斋] 发送悄悄话

  大海航行靠舵手  万维博文风向靠的是西岸同志来导航


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http://blog.creaders.net/u/8994/201910/359010.html


作者:西岸 留言时间:2019-10-28 14:28:03

这些数据里只有第一项,外债,有实际意义,其他都没有意义。比如美国一般讲债务,指的是政府债务,不是指私人和企业债务,想想美国仅学生贷款和信用卡债务就多大?都到了可能导致整个银行系统毁灭的地步,因为这些债务都属于银行债务。基本上任何企业债务,和很多个人债务(比如房贷)都是银行债务,因为都是企业通过银行贷款运作的,哪怕企业有盈利,也不意味相应的贷款银行没有相关的债务,只要企业还没还钱,银行就有相应的债务,因为银行的钱并不是自己的,而是用储户的钱投资,在没有ROI之前都是债务。包括你这里的对中国各个银行的描述,也都是这种概念。

所以,用这里的这种描述,任何经济发展快的国家,也就是资金流转量大和信贷发达,都是巨大负债国了。这种描述根本就没有任何意义。

第二,任何国家的内债一般客观上是可以不还的,只有外债无法逃避,具体解释过很多次了,不多说了。

第三,中国有一个其他国家不具备的优势,就是对于三角债可以很容易通过政府的调节而消掉债务。三角债是还债时间差导致的,钱在那里,只不过不在应该在的地方,这是很容易通过一个中央机制解决的。

写这类文章的人明显是对债务的本质不清楚。


作者:kkllyy 回复 西岸  留言时间:2019-10-29 08:09:48

人家西方国家欠国内的债是要付利息的,你中共企业或政府欠的债

要还利息吗?还不起怎么办?


作者:一冰 留言时间:2019-10-29 03:49:03

资料翔实,问题是谁借给他们的债?是国际银行,还是国内百姓的存款?


作者:creaders10 回复 西岸  留言时间:2019-10-28 18:52:20

你這說得也太容易了。 按這逻辑, 外债也無实际意义, 可以不还的。 

你欠我, 我欠他, 最后一筆勾銷。


作者:天雅 留言时间:2019-10-28 16:50:17

如果是私人和私企债务,其实并不可怕。问题是,大陆真的是私企吗? 

房子的房贷,付完后,70年的使用权是否也到期了? 或已过期了?


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Credit card balances carried from month to month continue to inch up, reaching $435.9 billion halfway through 2019, according to NerdWallet’s annual analysis of U.S. household debt. That’s an increase of more than 5% over last year. And for Americans carrying that debt, the impact is significant.

The average U.S. household with credit card debt has an estimated $6,8291 in revolving balances, or balances carried from one month to the next, the analysis found. This pernicious type of debt, which often comes with high interest rates that make it a challenge to pay off, can feel inescapable. About 1 in 11 (9%) Americans who have credit card debt say they don’t think they will ever be completely free of credit card debt, according to a NerdWallet survey conducted by The Harris Poll.2

以下中文一律为谷歌同学一秒钟完工译文:


根据 NerdWallet 对美国家庭债务的年度分析,每个月持有的信用卡余额继续增加,到2019年中旬达到4359亿美元。 比去年增加了5%以上。 对于承担这些债务的美国人来说,影响是巨大的。

分析发现,美国平均有信用卡债务的家庭的循环欠款约为 6,829 美元,即从一个月到下一个月的余额。 这种高风险的债务通常伴随着高利率,使其难以还清,这是一种不可避免的债务。 根据哈里斯民意调查(The Harris Poll)进行的NerdWallet调查,有信用卡债务的美国人中约有十分之一(9%)表示他们认为自己永远不会完全摆脱信用卡债务。


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New York (CNN Business)America's debt load is about to hit a record. The combination of cheap money and soaring debt helped fuel the decade-long economic expansion and bull market, but America's gluttony of loans could work against it if its fragile economic balance shifts.

In the first quarter of 2019, the United States' total public- and private-sector debt amounted to nearly $70 trillion, according to research by the Institute of International Finance. Federal government debt and liabilities of private corporations excluding banks both hit new highs.

Debt in itself isn't bad. Borrowing can help governments and businesses grow by funding important projects and services that make the economy stronger. And right now, the United States can still deal with its debt burden. The economy, about $21 trillion in size, remains healthy, and the Federal Reserve is preparing to cut interest rates and make debt even cheaper. But America's near-record liabilities could be dangerous down the road.


纽约(CNN商业)美国的债务负担即将达到创纪录水平。 廉价货币和不断飙升的债务相结合,助长了长达十年的经济扩张和牛市,但如果脆弱的经济平衡发生变化,美国大量的贷款可能会对它不利。

根据国际金融研究所的研究,2019年第一季度,美国的公共部门和私营部门债务总额达到近70万亿美元。 联邦政府的债务和私人公司(不包括银行)的负债均创下新高。

债务本身也不错。 借款可以通过资助使经济更强大的重要项目和服务来帮助政府和企业发展。 现在,美国仍然可以处理其债务负担。 经济规模约为21万亿美元,仍保持健康状态,美联储(Fed)准备降低利率并使债务更便宜。 但是,美国近乎创纪录的债务在未来可能是危险的。


The financial position of the United States includes assets of at least $269.6 trillion (1576% of GDP) and debts of $145.8 trillion (852% of GDP) to produce a net worth of at least $123.8 trillion (723% of GDP)[a] as of Q1 2014.

The U.S. increased the ratio of public and private debt from 152% GDP in 1980 to peak at 296% GDP in 2008, before falling to 279% GDP by Q2 2011. The 2009-2011 decline was due to foreclosures and increased rates of household saving. There were significant declines in debt to GDP in each sector except the government, which ran large deficits to offset deleveraging or debt reduction in other sectors.[2]

As of 2009, there was $50.7 trillion of debt owed by US households, businesses, and governments, representing more than 3.5 times the annual gross domestic product of the United States.[3] As of the first quarter of 2010, domestic financial assets totaled $131 trillion and domestic financial liabilities $106 trillion.[4] Tangible assets in 2008 (such as real estate and equipment) for selected sectors© totaled an additional $56.3 trillion.[6]


美国的财务状况包括至少269.6万亿美元的资产(占GDP的1576%)和145.8万亿美元的债务(占GDP的852%),以产生至少123.8万亿美元的净资产(占GDP的723%)[a]截至2014年第一季度。

美国的公共债务和私人债务比率从1980年的152%增加到2008年的296%的峰值,然后在2011年第二季度降至279%。2009-2011年的下降是由于止赎和家庭储蓄率的提高。除政府部门外,每个部门的债务对GDP的下降均显着下降,政府的赤字较大,以抵消其他部门的去杠杆化或债务减少。[2]

截至2009年,美国家庭,企业和政府的债务总额为50.7万亿美元,是美国年度国内生产总值的3.5倍以上。[3]截至2010年第一季度,国内金融资产总额为131万亿美元,国内金融负债为106万亿美元。[4] 2008年,特定部门的有形资产(如房地产和设备)©总计为56.3万亿美元。[6]


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Andrea Giuffredi graduated in Trumpet at the Nicolini Conservatory of Piacenza in 1985. Since 1983 he has been performing as first trumpet in the major Italian opera and symphonic institutions, the RAI Orchestra of Turin and Milan, the city Theatre in Florence, the Regio Theatre in Parma, La Scala Theatre in Milan, the symphonic Orchestra Arturo Toscanini of Emilia Romagna, and the Toscanini Philharmonic . He played with conductors like Riccardo Muti, Zubin Metha and Seiji Ozawa in the major concert halls worldwide. He performed as solo trumpet accompanied by I Solisti Veneti, Sicily’s Symphonic Orchestra, the symphonic Orchestra Arturo Toscanini of Emilia Romagna, Tirana Radio Symphony Orchestra, Krasnoyarsk Symphony Orchestra and Salzburg Chamber Soloist. He performed sound tracks by Ennio Morricone, Nino Rota and classical pieces with a melodic and cantabile Italian style. He held masterclasses all over the world, among others: CTG China Trumpet Guild at the Nanchang University, at Denver University in the US, at Tirana Conservatory, at Beijing Central Conservatory at Lieksa Brass Week in Finland, at Kalavrita Brass Festival (Greece) and in several conservatories in Italy. He performed as first trumpet at Pavarotti & Friends 2000 with George Michael, Luciano Pavarotti and Enrique Iglesias. In 2006 he performed as first trumpet in the tour conducted by Ennio Morricone and La Scala Philharmonic Orchestra. He currently is professor of trumpet at the International Music Academy of Milan.


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