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送交者: mean 2015月05月13日21:45:50 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话
回  答: mean不是讲了吗?神的意愿和最终效果的区别。 对对眼 于 2015-05-13 17:21:59
misunderstood me. I believe that there are enough bible verses to back up the claim that man are unconditionally elected to salvation before they believe (U). however, I do not believe that the Bible consistently teaches that GOD provided the means of salvation (i.e. the life and death of Christ) solely for those whom He elected to the exclusion of everyone else (L).



I generally want to stay out of limited election argument, because I believe that God truly wants all men to be saved but for mysterious reasons did not elect all men to be saved. and I think such arguments tend to over-emphasize one side to the neglect of the other. (this stance of mine is taken by some as double-speak.)



the OT affirms that people did not repent because God did not elect them, and that they were not elected because they did not repent, often in the same book by the same author in the same breath. being on two different planes (God and man), there is no logical fallacy, but it does pose tension to the text.
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