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送交者: strangers 2018月06月04日08:35:22 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话
回  答: 谢谢你花时间讨论。 GraceJ 于 2018-06-03 15:54:03

抱歉,是 God bless.
而且从google copy/paste, 中间 还漏了一段,简单讲,一,问号与他的帖子和其它刷屏的诸如仙人掌之流还是要区别对待。都一封了事,多少会有:“看官们的印象是你说不过人家。”在哲学的各个分支,基督教学者都有丰富的著述。we don't indulge in "intellectual exercise",但是总要给个路标吧。 其次,完全同意:我们的信仰也不是建立在高深莫测的理论上…(although some intellectual blocks may need to be removed)。可能源于各自的经历,对这两方面的侧重有不同。佛学,注意是佛学,不是佛教,很能迷惑人,对于一派人,那简直是量身定做。For some of us sinners, it might be that “ some intellectual blocks may need to be removed, which is of course one small step of a long journey.” 这和“基督信仰不是靠辩论来得人的“, 两者并不矛盾。
说来容易,做起来难。I don’t know where we shall hold the balance or draw the line.

问号的不动之心,etc., 我也读了,结合他前面的帖子,如果我正确理解他的意图,is to challenge你怎么知道你知道, thus动摇,否定上帝的存在,nothing new under the sun.就事论事,与之对应的回答,we can find in both Catholic Church and Protestant churches. Anyway. Let’s turn the page。i follow Bishop Barron. The following is from his Daily Gospel Reflection (5/9/2018)JOHN 16:12-15, which would like to share with you. Maybe it can be the footnote to that ... our faith 不是建立在高深莫测的理论上。 

朋友们,今天的福音宣告说,当圣灵来临时,他会引导我们认识一切真相。我听说过一个关于让 - 吕克马里昂的故事,如果不是真的,那应该是。在关于笛卡尔的生动演讲中,一位学生问了一个关于上帝的尖锐问题。马里昂看着她说:“去星期日弥撒一年,然后回来再问我这个问题。”

马里昂的回应不只是急中生智。如果对上帝的认识取决于浸入圣灵,那么对上帝的认知就是整个生命形式的一个整合,包括祈祷,克己,行为和精神上的慈悲与怜悯,以及对敌人的宽恕。与其说我们籍由思考而认识上帝,不如说我们经由圣灵引导的一日日的生活去理解上帝。

托马斯·阿奎那总是说他的神学更多来自他的坚持祷告,而不是他的思维敏锐。他对神圣的奥秘的渗透源于他在圣灵中的生活。所以今天我们祷告,“来吧,圣灵来吧!”

Friends, today’s Gospel declares that when the Spirit comes, he will guide us into all truth. There is a story I’ve heard about Jean-Luc Marion that, if it isn’t true, should be. In the midst of a lively lecture on Descartes, a student asked a pointed question about God. Marion looked at her and said, "Go to Sunday Mass for a year and then return and ask me that question again."Marion’s response was not just a clever one-liner. If true knowledge of God depends upon immersion in the Holy Spirit, then that knowledge is a function of an entire form of life, involving prayer, self-denial, the corporal and spiritual works of mercy, and the forgiveness of one’s enemies. We don’t think our way to an understanding of God so much as we live our way to it.

Thomas Aquinas always said that he owed his theology far more to the persistence of his prayer than to the acuity of his mind. His penetration of the divine mystery flowed from his life in the Holy Spirit. And so today we pray, "Come, Holy Spirit, come!"


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  谢谢。弟兄的大多数观点我都Amen - GraceJ 06/04/18 (82)
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