such as:

1. become a Jewish first

2. choose Jesus to be your saviour till he still met your needs

不信郁金香 meant what???!!

1. man is not totally deprived, he may save himself somehow or he is not to bad to be 

separated from God's presence

2. man has no need to be elected and he can choose Jesus and choose heaven

3. Jesus redeemed all but those who signed got the salvation, those who did not sign

must pay the price of his sin on top of Jesus' payment

4. man can choose heave or hell

5. man can freely follow Jesus or do everything agaist Jesus

please think about it!

These people 得不得救???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

得救??????????????????????????? based on what??????????????????????????????