這個Adam Lanza心裡不happy

這些日子，Newtown及附近居民的話題一直圍繞着這個槍殺事件，我女兒昨天與我通話也涉及這些事情。

當地居民正在討論是否永久關閉，或是徹底改造翻新 Sandy Hook Elementary School。

還有關于禁槍控槍，用我女兒的話來說，美國有這麼多的人這麼久的時期有這麼多的槍，一切都已經too late了，何況這背後還牽扯到美國人根深蒂固的自由選擇的權利。儘管Obama說的似乎都對，也很動聽動情，但她還是持悲觀態度，除非上帝親自動手。

很多事件發生的前因後果，行政當局還在調查之中，還無最後結論。據我女兒說，當地居民已經在反思一件事，就是Adam Lanza心中不happy。現在當地的人都在回憶，Adam Lanza曾經的同學都把他看作一個怪人，都不願意接近他，很多人嘲笑他，以至他幾乎沒有朋友，他被邊緣化被排除了。這種事情並非僅僅發生在Adam Lanza身上，也發生在其他人的身上。

我女兒的觀點，一個人心裡不happy，就有可能走極端，反團體，反社會；應該有更多的資源被投入到社會援助，家庭輔導，等等，幫助這些人。同時，我女兒也在問，既如此，為何他母親還要把 Adam Lanza的生活與槍支彈藥聯繫在一起呢？難道他母親也有mental illness 嗎？

很多人使用 social phenomenon 這個詞彙，然而，僅止於此嗎？

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雅1：

鬼付體的人可以表現出那樣
送交者: 雅1 2012月12月19日13:26:45 於 [彩虹之約] 發送悄悄話
回  答:beiqian：這個Adam Lanza心裡不happy 由 beiqian 於2012-12-19 12:25:02
的精神症狀，當然毒品也有那樣的效果，-----


耶穌是唯一的道路拯救，這句話里我們要多近就有多近，可是呢，要多遠也就有多遠，就看我們自己是不是尊主為大。

付體，毒品，各類生化改變，都會
 引發人的各類精神症狀，有多少是撒但直接的控制，有多少是撒但通過神經遞質而誘發，這是無法統計地---。


有精神症狀的，到了什麼程度就可以危害他人了？這是很難判定地，一個自知力恢復堅持用藥的病人，忽然就可以散失自知力而聽從“控制”去做某些害人的事情，這種情況下，醫生並不負責，因為那是人無法控制地。不用藥，沒有恢復自知力的病人你放他出去，他雖然可能不害人但是一但害人了，醫生就要負責了。


這個Adam Lanza當時是被什麼“控制”了，不清楚，似乎也沒有必要清楚。


聖經上很清楚地是，人“不是義的奴僕，就是罪的奴僕”，無論這個人有沒有精神症狀，也無論這個人是不是不得不當奴僕。“受造之物服在虛空之下、不是自己願意、乃是因那叫他如此的”。


 


真理卻讓我們（無論有沒有精神症狀）得自由。相信真理--是唯一的道路，不得時，也要因信而務必傳道，才是唯一讓我們的愛心能發揮的管道。


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Dandelions:
same questions
送交者: Dandelions 2012月12月19日12:36:24 於 [彩虹之約] 發送悄悄話
回  答:beiqian：這個Adam Lanza心裡不happy 由 beiqian 於2012-12-19 12:25:02
”為何他母親還要把 Adam Lanza的生活與槍支彈藥聯繫在一起呢？難道他母親也有mental illness 嗎？“



“Adam Lanza曾經的同學都把他看作一個怪人，都不願意接近他，很多人嘲笑他，以至他幾乎沒有朋友，他被邊緣化被排除了。”



我前天對我家上高中的老大講，如果你的同學有什麼和常人不同， 要盡力幫助他們，而不是歧視或孤立他們。。。一點點的愛心 或許你能救一個人， 甚至很多人。。。。


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 ardmore:


想起了耶穌治療大麻風病人的故事
送交者: ardmore 2012月12月19日12:57:05 於 [彩虹之約] 發送悄悄話
回  答:same questions 由 Dandelions 於2012-12-19 12:36:24
主沒有拋棄他們。而簡單地把精神上有病的人，看作精神病，遠而離之，是不是法利賽人呢？

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以西緬

越是有病的人，越是需要幫助
送交者: 以西緬 2012月12月19日17:58:56 於 [彩虹之約] 發送悄悄話
回  答:一個母親的來信（今日基督教） 由 ardmore 於2012-12-19 13:35:23
有時，最好的不是教訓他們怎麼做，乃是像這位母親那樣，傾聽這些人的心聲，包括傾聽他們自己對自己不好思想的看法。謝謝ardmore貼出這篇文章。


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一個父親的來信（今日基督教）
送交者: ardmore 2012月12月19日13:35:23 於 [彩虹之約] 發送悄悄話
回  答:想起了耶穌治療大麻風病人的故事 由 ardmore 於2012-12-19 12:57:05
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/women/2012/12/sandy-hook-shooter-adam-lanza-sin.html


 My son is nine years old, and he has Asperger's Syndrome.


We discussed on Sunday the events of Sandy Hook. I explained to him, in very honest terms, what had happened, I explained to him that it was suggested that the gunman had the same disorder as he does. And I asked him, very honestly, if he had ever thought about hurting others or hurting himself.


He stated that he sometimes wants to hurt his brother, and sometimes he wishes he could kill his brother. I asked him why he doesn't, and he told me that he doesn't because he doesn't want to get in trouble. I asked him what he does when he feels like hurting his brother. He told me he punches himself in the face.


I am a Christ-follower, and I discuss God with my two boys regularly. We attend church, we have a home bible study group with a dozen people who have taken to care very much for our boys.


But don't begin to presume to tell me, or anyone who is actively living with this kind of mental illness, that it's ONLY a sin issue. I agree, we are all sinners. That's not the point. The point is that you can't begin to know the struggles that a person with a mental illness might have. My son doesn't want to kill his brother because he is evil...he wants to kill his brother because his brain does not have the capacity to understand things like empathy, inherent in so many of us but lacking in his development.


When I asked him about killing his brother, he said that he didn't really want his brother to die...just for him not to be around sometimes. As his father, I know this feeling isn't constant, as he is often happy to play with his brother (and sometimes plot world domination with his brother, as any two brothers might).


Do I fear for my Asperger's son? Yes, I fear that he will not have the full life that many others take for granted, or that his life will be twice as hard as someone who does not have a mental disorder.


Do I fear for his brother? Yes and no. With mental health treatment, my Asperger's son is learning to deal with social situations, and how to deal with the feelings he has when he wants his brother to disappear. So I don't fear that my other son is in physical danger. But I fear that he will never have a full brotherly experience with his brother.


We will continue to seek medical help for my son, just as we seek spiritual help for him and for our family.


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 四季樹:


讀文小結：“Sandy Hook 的槍手是罪還是病？”
送交者: 四季樹 2012月12月19日21:03:13 於 [彩虹之約] 發送悄悄話
回  答:越是有病的人，越是需要幫助 由 以西緬 於2012-12-19 17:58:56

很感恩可以有這個話題可以討論，

我很認真閱讀了 “Sandy Hook 的槍手是罪還是病？” 這篇文章，很受益，謝謝beiqian 和 ardmore的分享。

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/women/2012/12/sandy-hook-shooter-adam-lanza-sin.html

文章中，一方面作者介紹了同樣病症的兒童的母親的掙扎，

I Am Adam Lanza’s Mother

http://gawker.com/5968818?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

讀這位母親的掙扎是很讓人同情的，擁有這樣的一個特別需要的孩子，對一個家庭來說，是非常艱辛的過程。

而且暫時從醫療的角度上看沒有什麼特別有效的辦法。除了把這樣嚴重孩子關起來，但精神病院又常常滿員，同時受各類諸多條件限制。社會對於這類需要的關切度不高。

另一方面，作者又引用了一位神學家的話：

 “we cannot accept the inevitable claims that this young murderer is to be understood as merely sick . . . The sinfulness of sin is never more clearly revealed than when we look into the heart of a crime like this and see the hatred toward God that precedes the murderous hatred he poured out on his little victims.”

作者自己的觀點是基督耶穌擁有醫治和赦免的能力，他又寫到“ it reminds us that sin is both an internal moral choice and an external power.”  但我們生活在罪的權勢之下，對罪是沒有抵禦能力，只有依靠聖靈的大能才能與空中掌權者（惡者）對抗。

最後的結束語是：

 Christians cannot offer simple solutions or easy answers in response to the murders at Sandy Hook Elementary. Sin is multifaceted, and we witnessed its long and dark reach on Friday morning. But the salvation offered through Jesus is a healing-salvation for both the victims and the perpetrator of the heinous crime. And the power of sin is countered, and ultimately overcome, by the power of the love of God.

這篇文章寫得很有啟發性，後面我又閱讀了那位爸爸的來信。讀他的信 有心碎淚下的感受，尤其其中一段：

But don't begin to presume to tell me, or anyone who is actively living with this kind of mental illness, that it's ONLY a sin issue. I agree, we are all sinners. That's not the point. The point is that you can't begin to know the struggles that a person with a mental illness might have. My son doesn't want to kill his brother because he is evil...he wants to kill his brother because his brain does not have the capacity to understand things like empathy, inherent in so many of us but lacking in his development.

還有他談到二個兒子的兄弟之情，我想起我認識的一位姐妹，她的童年是在精神病姐姐的追殺下的陰影度過的，非常地艱難。她的姐姐常在廚房找刀，她們的家人必須十分小心，常常不得已把她送到別人家居住。那時大陸的條件非常艱苦，對於精神病患者的醫療條件更差。因為父母全神貫注於姐姐，她很少能享受父母之愛，留下很多遺憾和不滿。不過，感謝主，長大她出國信主了，後來回家帶領媽媽、姐姐信主，照顧家人，幫助姐姐趕鬼。。。等等，在上帝恩典之下，成為祝福家人的管道。

閱讀這類文章，深感人類墮落所帶來的深重痛苦，更感上帝恩典偉大，這實在是該感恩的季節，如果沒有基督耶穌，人類真的只能在罪的權勢下永受折磨。 

感謝主，上帝透過救主耶穌基督給了我們一個新天新地，那是沒有眼淚痛苦的榮耀盼望！