这个Adam Lanza心里不happy

这些日子，Newtown及附近居民的话题一直围绕着这个枪杀事件，我女儿昨天与我通话也涉及这些事情。

当地居民正在讨论是否永久关闭，或是彻底改造翻新 Sandy Hook Elementary School。

还有关于禁枪控枪，用我女儿的话来说，美国有这么多的人这么久的时期有这么多的枪，一切都已经too late了，何况这背后还牵扯到美国人根深蒂固的自由选择的权利。尽管Obama说的似乎都对，也很动听动情，但她还是持悲观态度，除非上帝亲自动手。

很多事件发生的前因后果，行政当局还在调查之中，还无最后结论。据我女儿说，当地居民已经在反思一件事，就是Adam Lanza心中不happy。现在当地的人都在回忆，Adam Lanza曾经的同学都把他看作一个怪人，都不愿意接近他，很多人嘲笑他，以至他几乎没有朋友，他被边缘化被排除了。这种事情并非仅仅发生在Adam Lanza身上，也发生在其他人的身上。

我女儿的观点，一个人心里不happy，就有可能走极端，反团体，反社会；应该有更多的资源被投入到社会援助，家庭辅导，等等，帮助这些人。同时，我女儿也在问，既如此，为何他母亲还要把 Adam Lanza的生活与枪支弹药联系在一起呢？难道他母亲也有mental illness 吗？

很多人使用 social phenomenon 这个词汇，然而，仅止于此吗？

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雅1：

鬼付体的人可以表现出那样
送交者: 雅1 2012月12月19日13:26:45 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话
回  答:beiqian：这个Adam Lanza心里不happy 由 beiqian 于2012-12-19 12:25:02
的精神症状，当然毒品也有那样的效果，-----


耶稣是唯一的道路拯救，这句话里我们要多近就有多近，可是呢，要多远也就有多远，就看我们自己是不是尊主为大。

付体，毒品，各类生化改变，都会
 引发人的各类精神症状，有多少是撒但直接的控制，有多少是撒但通过神经递质而诱发，这是无法统计地---。


有精神症状的，到了什么程度就可以危害他人了？这是很难判定地，一个自知力恢复坚持用药的病人，忽然就可以散失自知力而听从“控制”去做某些害人的事情，这种情况下，医生并不负责，因为那是人无法控制地。不用药，没有恢复自知力的病人你放他出去，他虽然可能不害人但是一但害人了，医生就要负责了。


这个Adam Lanza当时是被什么“控制”了，不清楚，似乎也没有必要清楚。


圣经上很清楚地是，人“不是义的奴仆，就是罪的奴仆”，无论这个人有没有精神症状，也无论这个人是不是不得不当奴仆。“受造之物服在虚空之下、不是自己愿意、乃是因那叫他如此的”。


 


真理却让我们（无论有没有精神症状）得自由。相信真理--是唯一的道路，不得时，也要因信而务必传道，才是唯一让我们的爱心能发挥的管道。


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Dandelions:
same questions
送交者: Dandelions 2012月12月19日12:36:24 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话
回  答:beiqian：这个Adam Lanza心里不happy 由 beiqian 于2012-12-19 12:25:02
”为何他母亲还要把 Adam Lanza的生活与枪支弹药联系在一起呢？难道他母亲也有mental illness 吗？“



“Adam Lanza曾经的同学都把他看作一个怪人，都不愿意接近他，很多人嘲笑他，以至他几乎没有朋友，他被边缘化被排除了。”



我前天对我家上高中的老大讲，如果你的同学有什么和常人不同， 要尽力帮助他们，而不是歧视或孤立他们。。。一点点的爱心 或许你能救一个人， 甚至很多人。。。。


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 ardmore:


想起了耶稣治疗大麻风病人的故事
送交者: ardmore 2012月12月19日12:57:05 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话
回  答:same questions 由 Dandelions 于2012-12-19 12:36:24
主没有抛弃他们。而简单地把精神上有病的人，看作精神病，远而离之，是不是法利赛人呢？

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以西缅

越是有病的人，越是需要帮助
送交者: 以西缅 2012月12月19日17:58:56 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话
回  答:一个母亲的来信（今日基督教） 由 ardmore 于2012-12-19 13:35:23
有时，最好的不是教训他们怎么做，乃是像这位母亲那样，倾听这些人的心声，包括倾听他们自己对自己不好思想的看法。谢谢ardmore贴出这篇文章。


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一个父亲的来信（今日基督教）
送交者: ardmore 2012月12月19日13:35:23 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话
回  答:想起了耶稣治疗大麻风病人的故事 由 ardmore 于2012-12-19 12:57:05
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/women/2012/12/sandy-hook-shooter-adam-lanza-sin.html


 My son is nine years old, and he has Asperger's Syndrome.


We discussed on Sunday the events of Sandy Hook. I explained to him, in very honest terms, what had happened, I explained to him that it was suggested that the gunman had the same disorder as he does. And I asked him, very honestly, if he had ever thought about hurting others or hurting himself.


He stated that he sometimes wants to hurt his brother, and sometimes he wishes he could kill his brother. I asked him why he doesn't, and he told me that he doesn't because he doesn't want to get in trouble. I asked him what he does when he feels like hurting his brother. He told me he punches himself in the face.


I am a Christ-follower, and I discuss God with my two boys regularly. We attend church, we have a home bible study group with a dozen people who have taken to care very much for our boys.


But don't begin to presume to tell me, or anyone who is actively living with this kind of mental illness, that it's ONLY a sin issue. I agree, we are all sinners. That's not the point. The point is that you can't begin to know the struggles that a person with a mental illness might have. My son doesn't want to kill his brother because he is evil...he wants to kill his brother because his brain does not have the capacity to understand things like empathy, inherent in so many of us but lacking in his development.


When I asked him about killing his brother, he said that he didn't really want his brother to die...just for him not to be around sometimes. As his father, I know this feeling isn't constant, as he is often happy to play with his brother (and sometimes plot world domination with his brother, as any two brothers might).


Do I fear for my Asperger's son? Yes, I fear that he will not have the full life that many others take for granted, or that his life will be twice as hard as someone who does not have a mental disorder.


Do I fear for his brother? Yes and no. With mental health treatment, my Asperger's son is learning to deal with social situations, and how to deal with the feelings he has when he wants his brother to disappear. So I don't fear that my other son is in physical danger. But I fear that he will never have a full brotherly experience with his brother.


We will continue to seek medical help for my son, just as we seek spiritual help for him and for our family.


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 四季树:


读文小结：“Sandy Hook 的枪手是罪还是病？”
送交者: 四季树 2012月12月19日21:03:13 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话
回  答:越是有病的人，越是需要帮助 由 以西缅 于2012-12-19 17:58:56

很感恩可以有这个话题可以讨论，

我很认真阅读了 “Sandy Hook 的枪手是罪还是病？” 这篇文章，很受益，谢谢beiqian 和 ardmore的分享。

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/women/2012/12/sandy-hook-shooter-adam-lanza-sin.html

文章中，一方面作者介绍了同样病症的儿童的母亲的挣扎，

I Am Adam Lanza’s Mother

http://gawker.com/5968818?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

读这位母亲的挣扎是很让人同情的，拥有这样的一个特别需要的孩子，对一个家庭来说，是非常艰辛的过程。

而且暂时从医疗的角度上看没有什么特别有效的办法。除了把这样严重孩子关起来，但精神病院又常常满员，同时受各类诸多条件限制。社会对于这类需要的关切度不高。

另一方面，作者又引用了一位神学家的话：

 “we cannot accept the inevitable claims that this young murderer is to be understood as merely sick . . . The sinfulness of sin is never more clearly revealed than when we look into the heart of a crime like this and see the hatred toward God that precedes the murderous hatred he poured out on his little victims.”

作者自己的观点是基督耶稣拥有医治和赦免的能力，他又写到“ it reminds us that sin is both an internal moral choice and an external power.”  但我们生活在罪的权势之下，对罪是没有抵御能力，只有依靠圣灵的大能才能与空中掌权者（恶者）对抗。

最后的结束语是：

 Christians cannot offer simple solutions or easy answers in response to the murders at Sandy Hook Elementary. Sin is multifaceted, and we witnessed its long and dark reach on Friday morning. But the salvation offered through Jesus is a healing-salvation for both the victims and the perpetrator of the heinous crime. And the power of sin is countered, and ultimately overcome, by the power of the love of God.

这篇文章写得很有启发性，后面我又阅读了那位爸爸的来信。读他的信 有心碎泪下的感受，尤其其中一段：

But don't begin to presume to tell me, or anyone who is actively living with this kind of mental illness, that it's ONLY a sin issue. I agree, we are all sinners. That's not the point. The point is that you can't begin to know the struggles that a person with a mental illness might have. My son doesn't want to kill his brother because he is evil...he wants to kill his brother because his brain does not have the capacity to understand things like empathy, inherent in so many of us but lacking in his development.

还有他谈到二个儿子的兄弟之情，我想起我认识的一位姐妹，她的童年是在精神病姐姐的追杀下的阴影度过的，非常地艰难。她的姐姐常在厨房找刀，她们的家人必须十分小心，常常不得已把她送到别人家居住。那时大陆的条件非常艰苦，对于精神病患者的医疗条件更差。因为父母全神贯注于姐姐，她很少能享受父母之爱，留下很多遗憾和不满。不过，感谢主，长大她出国信主了，后来回家带领妈妈、姐姐信主，照顾家人，帮助姐姐赶鬼。。。等等，在上帝恩典之下，成为祝福家人的管道。

阅读这类文章，深感人类堕落所带来的深重痛苦，更感上帝恩典伟大，这实在是该感恩的季节，如果没有基督耶稣，人类真的只能在罪的权势下永受折磨。 

感谢主，上帝透过救主耶稣基督给了我们一个新天新地，那是没有眼泪痛苦的荣耀盼望！