| Thanks for the link. My decoding of the rebuttal |
| 送交者: xinmin 2005年03月18日07:58:29 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话 |
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I only have time to choose one section of the rebuttal and try to decode a little in English. All Chinese texts are quoted as is from the given web link. 十字架的真義,不是受苦,乃是了結 Creating a new jargon will not solve the problem of exegesis. It may oversimplify the matter and even mislead us. 李弟兄在《馬可福音生命讀經》第25篇,他提到
Jesus said it the best: if anyone wants to be my disciple, he should deny himself, take up his Cross and follow me daily. Taking up the cross will necessarily deny oneself. This self-denial is a process, not a done deal at any moment of our life, but a long haul, in fact every day! One must endure the growing pain as disciples of Christ. For Christ's sake, he suffered six hours on the Cross. What does Jesus requires of us? A daily process! 李弟兄這段話的意思並非「不必背十字架」,乃是「不必背十字架學受苦」,因為許多基督徒誤解了十字架,聖經所說的十字架,不是叫人受苦,乃是叫人被了結。一個人釘十字架,不僅僅是受苦,乃是被處決, OK, it is not just suffering, but do not deny the suffering element with Cross. 把他這個人除掉。在約翰十九章十五節,當猶太人在彼拉多面前指著主耶穌,說「釘祂十字架」時,意思是要「除掉祂。」他們把主耶穌釘在十架,目的不是叫祂受苦,乃是除掉祂。他甚至說:『說十字架是受苦的事,這種觀念與主在(馬可福音)八章三十四節的啟示相對。祂在這節說:「若有人要跟從我,就當否認己,背起他的十字架,並跟從我。」主在這裡論到否認己。否認己就是放棄己,而不是保留己使其受苦。』(可生讀252頁)因此他在這段話裡不斷強調背起十字架不是受苦,而是把基督在十字架上為我們了結所做的,應用在我們生活中。這絕非如本書作者所言,只講客觀地位,抽去主觀經歷,反而是更正確的教導如何把背十字架應用在生活中。
We cannot afford to overemphasize the finality (death) of Cross at the expense of the painful process. Paul said it well: it is now Christ who lives in us. That is the glorious outcome of our denying ourself. This is not meant to say that we are already as perfect as Christ. Far from it, as Paul said in Phillipians 3:13-14. We as sinners are nailed on the cross in God's view. That should also be our own view about ourselves. But we are not done with the Cross, both the progressive and end result, until we see God face to face. Assuringly, every little bit of crucifying our old self is one extra step toward the glorious life of resurrection. 李常受弟兄的這段話指明,若要正確的領會主在福音書裡關於背十字架的教訓,而看見信徒該如何過一種被了結的生活,就需要輔以保羅的十四封書信。我們在自己裡面是無法留在十字架上的,反而常從十字架上下來。因此在腓立比書三章十節保羅說:「使我認識基督、並祂復活的大能、以及同祂受苦的交通,模成祂的死。」在羅馬書八章十三節他也說:「…但你們若靠著那靈治死身體的行為,必要活著。」惟有藉著作復活大能的那靈,我們才能模成基督的死,也才能治死身體的的行為。這絕非如本書作者所說,貶低歪曲主言,乃是正確的解釋聖言。 While quoting Phillipians 3:10, please bear in mind the subsequent verses 13-14. Paul never claimed that he had achieved the perfect goal of Christlikeness. He was still straining ahead for the goal and the reward that was bound to come with his reaching the goal. 本書作者斷章取義的推論
The truth of Christ and his Cross may sound simple, but it is the pinnacle of the richness of God's widsom. Ironically, being simple was what the intelligent but carnal Christians in Corinth said about the Cross as Paul quoted in 1Corinthians 1. It is up to us to go treasure hunt and dig deeper into the truth of Christ and his Cross. We are never to dismiss the simplicity on a cursive examination and showcase other perhaps more glamoring tidbits of teachings than the truth of Christ and his Cross. 自一九六二年以來,有些人在同樣的事上大約停留了二十三年。僅僅教導人關於祭壇周圍的事,基督十字架的事,還是太膚溋恕N覀冃枰暗疥P於三一神更深的真理,進入祂首要、最高的屬性,就是祂神聖的三一。祂神聖的三一比祂的能力、祂的愛、甚至祂的生命要高得多。我們必須學習關於祂三一的事,就是神格-父如何化身在子裡,子如何實化為靈,這樣的靈如何是子的實化,也是經過過程之三一神的終極完成。我們需要學習這些事,不儘是為認識,更是為享受『願主耶穌基督的恩,神的愛,聖靈的交通,與你們眾人同在。』(林後13章14節)倘若你要享受這項祝福,當然你必須認識神聖的三一,認識神格。 This kind of teaching about the trinity nature can be very misleading and dangerously close to heresy.
《關於主今日行動的交通,五六至五七頁》 Give us a break. The old rugged Cross on Calvary still invites us to behold and imitate Jesus Christ, the Lord of lords and King of kings. Being old is not to be mistaken as outdated.
Quoting Hebrews 6:1 without reference to the context will do unintended injustice to our discourse here. The author of the Book of Hebrews was exalting Christ as being far superior to all angels and Moses, and as the High priest par excellence. We cannot quote a ????ure verse just to suit our own purpose. 我們必須學習講說關於基督更深之事的智慧言語。許多基督徒講說美好的事。他們說基督是救主,講說基督為我們的罪死了,祂復活了,現在坐在寶座上。這些都是美好、正確的,但卻是膚湹摹螒{講說這些膚溍篮玫氖拢髂茏龀鍪颤N?沒有變化,主怎能建造召會?也許你連保羅在林前三章所教導的真理有多深也不曉得。在一章保羅說到基督是我們的公義、聖別和救贖。在二章他告訴我們神深奧的事。在三章他告訴我們,我們是神的耕地,要長出一些東西;我們也是神的建築。保羅將植物生命與建造放在一起。按人來說,植物生命不可能為著建造。植物生命不是為著建造,乃是為著生產。然而,在神聖的思想裡,生產的生命,乃是為著建造。為此就需要有變化。保羅在本章告訴哥林多人,他們是神的農場,他栽種了,亞波羅澆灌了,神就使他們生長。(林前三9,6)他也說,召會是用金、銀、寶石建造的。(林前三12)這指明變化。我擔心我們在召會中的人不能講說變化的事。這就是我們看見我們中間有些人提倡膚湹氖拢蜆O其關切的原因。這浪費我們的時間。我們在主的恢復裡竭力往上爬,但有些人卻幫助人『往地下室去』。我們在這職事裡幫助人進到『大學』,但有些人帶人回到『幼稚園』。。你的心也許很好,你所做的也正確,但你所教導的階段卻是錯的,方向也是錯的。我們若要從傳統的路轉到神所發明、那靈所命定的路,就是眾聖徒彼此互相講說更高更深真理的路,我們就都必須勞苦。…從馬太福音到啟示錄,基督的啟示有了完全的發展、解釋並陳明。全本新約就是基督的啟示,基督要建造祂的召會,我們就需要認識全本聖經就是基督的啟示。今天有一種膚湹母R簦瑢接心w湹膯⑹荆嬖V人說,神愛世人,神將祂的兒子賜給人。神的兒子來作救主,祂死在十字架上,復活,現今在天上。祂愛所有的人。人相信祂就必得救,死了必上天堂。從他得救起,他就必須行善,改良品格,榮耀神。基督不能把召會建造在對祂自己膚湹膯⑹旧稀N覀冊诿绹鴦诳嗔硕辏弑M所能的要拔高這光景。看見聖徒們被帶到膚満统跫壍氖律希业撵`裡的確受苦。 由上文可知,李弟兄之意並非指十字架真理的本身是膚湹模耸抢畹苄止膭盥}徒,在對對基督的啟示和福音的傳講都必須竭力前進,達到完全,也需傳講聖經中更深奧的真理。 The desire to teach God's people to walk on a higher spiritual ground is commendable. But we should not resort to the tactics of inventing new phrases or minimizing the vital importance of the truth of Christ and his Cross. The highest calling for all christians is to imitate Christ under the power of the holy spirit. That is the singular and highest goal in our life. |
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