truist評論：
這是一個國家對一個人的謀殺。
鉈的性質有點像銀，是少數幾種劇毒的無機物。至少可以狀告清華大學
北京大學等單位對劇毒物品管理不善，負責賠償醫療及其他費用，並對
家屬進行民事賠償。投毒的罪犯，當然應該繩之以法，從結果來看，是
屬於故意殺人罪，應當判處相應的徒刑。清華北大某些有關人員也應該
引咎辭職。可是這些事情，都不了了之，可恨。大家記下這筆帳吧。
以後大家如果感覺不對勁，應該立即想到無機物中毒。通常生物製品的
毒性不會延續很長，只有無機物和一些有機物能夠使人中毒並延續很長
時間。對於無機金屬（鉛，汞，鉈，銅，銀等），通常採用絡合劑EDTA
排毒。我有一個老師，曾經體內放射性重金屬中毒，使用過這樣的療法，
據云是感覺很累。他目前健康。
有機物慢性中毒好像以苯環類居多。中國製鞋業裡面有許多可憐的打工
妹，她們長期接觸苯或甲苯配製的膠，通過皮膚和呼吸中毒（慢性）。
後果之一是再障（血液再生障礙），無可醫治。大家到Wal-Mart或者
K-Mart（已經倒閉）買便宜的中國鞋時，千萬不要忘記這些受屈辱的靈
魂。
xinli評論：
Hi, I helped to coordinate the diagnosis and coordinated the treatment
processes for Zhu Ling in 1996 when I was a graduate student at UCLA.
I want to share what I know to answer some of the questions posted at
this site.
1. ZHU Ling's nickname is Lingling.
2. About the suspect girl, some of us pervaded the US Embassy in
Beijing to stop her from coming to USA. Some of us even tried to use
US media to make some influence. However, there is no hard evidence,
on the other hand, we were afraid that the suspect family backed by
some Beijing officials might accuse the US media of manipulating
politically which would do no good for Zhu Ling's care. We know her
name and we know where the case was stopped. It was such a hard
decision made together with her family not to pursue that way. But
that does not mean we give up on it. If Zhu Ling's family changed the
decision, we will certainly do something. No doubt about that.
3. Here is what the PUMC（協和） did wrong:
Dr. Li at PUMC did GUESS it could be thallium-poisoning. I use GUESS
here instead of "diagnosed", because a diagnosis must be backed by a
test. Her symptom reminded him a poisoning-poisoning case in Tsinghua
Univ. 30 years ago. Not being a poisoning specialist, Dr.Li sent the
case to Beijing Inst. of Labor Hygiene & Occupational Diseases. The
vice chair of the institute, based on ZHU Ling's word that she had
never contacted Thallium before, concluded that it was not a Thallium
poisoning. No test was asked to support that GUESS. Prof. Chen who
conducted the correct test later was working in the institute but he
was not contacted for help. Prof.Chen was contacted by ZHU Ling family
later.
You see here, PUMC did nothing wrong at first place and Dr.Li did
right thing to refer the case to a specialist. It was the vice chair
in the Occupational Institute that made a conclusion without a test.
However, Dr.Li and his colleagues who took care of the case together,
TRUSTED the vice chair's result without demanding a solid test result.
As the primary care provider for the patient, PUMC was responsible to
make scientific judgement based upon specialist consultation to make
proper case management. PUMC failed to do that.
Second thing that PUMC did wrong was to refuse to consider the
Internet suggestions. ZHU Ling's family brought the Internet diagnosis
of Thallium collected by BEI Zhicheng (ZHU Ling's friend) and others,
but PUMC refused to consider it. When I called the ICU about treatment,
they refuse to talk to me initially. Dr.Aldids had to use his
diplomatic efforts to deliver some message to PUMC. His warm efforts
often met the cold door. During those days, many of the people
involved were trying every effort simply to convince PUMC.
It might be true that PUMC later bright ZHU Ling better care than
other hospitals could. But PUMC's initial arrogance and ignorance
significantly delayed the diagnosis and treatment. The longer the delay,
the more the poison damaged ZHU Ling neurologically.
4. As a side talk, medicine in China is often based upon experience
but here in US it is also science. This is because doctors in US
usually have bachelor degree in science and also because the strict
legal system.
Xin Li
For details, check the web site at UCLA:
http://www.radsci.ucla.edu/telemed/zhuling/. Since I came to Silicon
Valley, I have not updated the site.
yuan評論：
I was involved in the internet diagnosis
I was involved from very early on and called many doctors
in the states many times. I was working at a hospital at that
time.
Actually, it is so easy to diagnose, doctors predict it to be
Ta poisoning and it has been found in murder case before. One
forensic doctor predicted that there must be someone behind the
it. Unforunately, Doctors at PUMC did not take action quick
enough and do not even believe that it was the case. It was later
proved to be true but no one was arrested for it.
Her sister was a student of Beijing University. After I went to
Beida in later 80s, her story was told to us. But it was told
that she fell off accidentally while on field trip. Only'
after her sister's case, people got suspecious about her
mysterious death, because no witness seemed to know if no
foul play was involved.
I got very suspecious over her family's history. Rumor had it
that her family had vicious enemy, maybe from the 70s and would
not let her family go. But I do not know if it is true.
I communicated with her mom several times on the internet. A reporter
from Italy called my lab and talked to me for a while and published
something there, but I did not see the article. Then
another chinese student from UCLA got involved with his boss because
they were doing remote diagnosis project. He was on TV shows in the
LA area later. I was too busy and eventually let go.
It was such a tradgy. I felt horrible and got scared about
the whole thing. Someone lurked out there!
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