mffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted Sun Nov 25 2012 11:33:00 your local time (1 day 3 hours 29 minutes ago) and read 796 times:

I like the 2nd pic with the movie theater barricades. Tickets please!
And the last pic is very Top Gun... Why are there 2 guys pointing?? What if one them points the other direction?

我很喜歡第二張照片，有電影院圍欄的那張，我也要買票去看！
最後一張照片非常像Top Gun，但是為什麼這倆人要用手指？？如果他們指的是另外一個方向咋辦？

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RIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted Sun Nov 25 2012 11:57:29 your local time (1 day 3 hours 5 minutes ago) and read 785 times:

I'm confused by the markings on the aircraft. Never seen anything like that before. Don't the Chinese use a red star in the middle with two red bars on each side, or is this a Navy version?

我被飛機的塗裝迷惑了，從來沒見過這樣的。中國空軍不是用的是一個紅星加兩條槓的標誌麼？難道這是海軍的版本？

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BladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted Sun Nov 25 2012 13:21:12 your local time (1 day 1 hour 41 minutes ago) and read 739 times:

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 2):
I'm confused by the markings on the aircraft. Never seen anything like that before. Don't the Chinese use a red star in the middle with two red bars on each side, or is this a Navy version?

Those are test markings, usually for cameras so they know what to aim at.

（回復上一個人）這些是測試用的標誌，主要是用來給相機作為對焦點使用的。（原來如此？）

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RIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted Sun Nov 25 2012 16:41:39 your local time (22 hours 21 minutes 15 secs ago) and read 658 times:

BladeLWS -- thanks for clearing that up. I was really scratching my head on that one.

（回復上一個）非常感謝你的澄清，我真的被這個迷惑到了。

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rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 5464 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted Sun Nov 25 2012 21:18:05 your local time (17 hours 44 minutes 49 secs ago) and read 540 times:

I realize that is a test bird - but that is the ugliest color I've ever seen on an aircraft.

我知道這是一架試驗機，不過這真是有史以來最丑的塗裝了。
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alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted Mon Nov 26 2012 00:32:10 your local time (14 hours 30 minutes 44 secs ago) and read 449 times:

This is what the aircraft will look like when in service:

BTW Am I the only one shocked at how fast the development of their carrier program is moving along ? To think that India has spent far more money and in the end only getting a used refurbished carrier...

這是這個飛機正常的塗裝（附圖）

順便說一句，難道只有我一個人被中國航母計劃的進展震撼到了麼？想想印度，花了這麼多錢，最後只得到了一艘二手翻新航母。

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rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 5464 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted Mon Nov 26 2012 01:13:57 your local time (13 hours 48 minutes 57 secs ago) and read 426 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 6):
Am I the only one shocked at how fast the development of their carrier program is moving along ?

Well, the program is almost 40 years along its development track.

Also remember that China has acquired three other aircraft carriers - to study even though some eventually were converted for other roles. They have also spend a lot of money buying and studying aircraft designs from other nations.

This carrier and program are a continuation of the development work done by the Soviets. The basic hull and design are the Soviet carrier Varyag - refurbished, completed and updated.

We will see their first locally 'designed' carrier no sooner than 2015.

What we are seeing now is the implementation of decades of work. And they are not at the end of the program.

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好吧，中國的項目其實已經進行了快40年了。同時你也得記住中國已經買了3艘航母了，儘管很多最後被用在其他地方了，不過中國人還是做了研究的。他們同時也花了很多錢購買並且研究其他國家的艦載機。

這個航母計劃其實是蘇聯的延續，船體和設計都是延續蘇聯的瓦良格號。我們要在2015年以後才能看到國媽。我們現在看到的是幾十年工作的成果，並且不是最後一個成果...

Quoting alberchico (Reply 6):
To think that India has spent far more money and in the end only getting a used refurbished carrier...

While we know some of the numbers about the India program, we don't know the numbers about the China program.

I would believe that China has thrown more money at the problem than India.

But China's system would make the total amount of money to be used more efficiently in my opinion.

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我們只知道印度人花了很多錢在航母上，但我們不知道中國人花了多少，我認為中國花的可比印度多了。並且我認為中國的制度比印度的在花錢上更有效率。
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Acheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1367 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted Mon Nov 26 2012 08:40:08 your local time (6 hours 22 minutes 46 secs ago) and read 221 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 7):
This carrier and program are a continuation of the development work done by the Soviets.

Considering how the Chinese seem to be aiming at copying the american style CVBG's and the fact that the Soviets used a completely different doctrine and employment for their "carriers", that seems unlikely.

The only thing this thing has in common with the soviets after all the modifications the chinese did to it, its the basic hull design and nothing else.

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考慮到中國人似乎是要複製美國的航母戰鬥群模式而不是蘇聯的載機巡洋艦模式，中國的發展道路和蘇聯的是不一樣的。遼寧號和瓦良格號之間唯一的相同之處只有船體，其他都是不一樣的。

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Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 9386 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted Mon Nov 26 2012 11:39:26 your local time (3 hours 23 minutes 28 secs ago) and read 97 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 8):
The only thing this thing has in common with the soviets after all the modifications the chinese did to it, its the basic hull design and nothing else.

Well that, and both are in various target identification databases maintained by the USAF and USN.

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好吧，不過他們都已經進入美國空軍和美國海軍的目標數據庫了...（汗）