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邁克-弗林： 我們有兩個獨立的政府。我們有一個真正當選並上任的政府，然後有一個華盛頓特區內部的政府，在沒有規則的情況下運作。

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【2021年10月09日】

•FOX主持人：邁克-弗林，他曾短暫擔任川普政府的國家安全顧問。我們從邁克-弗林的毀滅中真正學到的是，當然你可以選舉唐納德-川普為總統，但他真的能管理政府的行政部門嗎？不，事實證明。巴拉克-奧巴馬仍然掌管着，儘管他不再是總統。因此，奧巴馬讓他的親信指控邁克-弗林作為國家安全顧問與俄羅斯談話，這當然不是什麼罪行，他們因為這樣做而破壞了他的生活。這對我們來說花了很多年。我們就是這麼慢才弄清楚那裡到底發生了什麼，但現在已經非常明顯了。

我們剛剛坐下來，對邁克-弗林進行了一次長時間的採訪。他告訴我們，對於每一個看着華盛頓內部一個非選舉產生的團體有效地管理國家而不參考選民的人來說，這真的很明顯。以下是他的評估。

•邁克-弗林：

我們有兩個獨立的政府。

我們有一個真正當選並上任的政府，然後你有一個華盛頓特區內部的政府，在沒有規則的情況下運作，除了他們自己或誰曾經負責他們的聲音之外，沒有其他權威，就像那個政府仍然由巴拉克-奧巴馬控制。

是的，我想說的是，在某種程度上，這就是我們今天的運作方式。

•FOX主持人：

順便說一下，邁克-弗林不是什麼互聯網、名人或保守派活動家。

他是一個三星級的將軍。

他是一個情報機構的負責人，是所有美國情報部門的第二號人物。

他一生都在聯邦政府工作，並在這方面取得了成功，所以他知道自己在說什麼。

他是政府實際運作的可靠指南。順便說一下，我們與邁克-弗林的整個對話，是在塔克-卡爾森的節目中進行的。它將於周一在福克斯國家電視台推出。

Mike Flynn, for example. He was briefly the national security adviser in the Trump administration. What we learned from the destruction of Mike Flynn really, was that sure you can elect Donald Trump president, but does he really run the executive branch of government? No, it turned out. Barack Obama was still in charge, even though he was no longer president. So Obama had his cronies charged Mike Flynn with a crime talking to Russia as the national security adviser, which of course is not a crime by any stretch, and they wrecked his life for doing that. It took years for us. This is how slow we are to figure out exactly what happened there, but now it's very obvious. We just sat down with a long interview with Mike Flynn. It's coming out Monday and he told us what is really obvious to everyone who watches an unelected group within Washington effectively runs the country without reference to voters. Here's his assessment. 

Mike Flynn：

We have two separate governments. We have the one that actually gets elected and goes into office, and then you have a government inside of Washington DC that operates under no rules, no authorities other than their own or who's ever in charge of their sounds like that government was still controlled by Barack Obama. Yeah, and I would say that that's that to a degree is is what we're operating with today. 

By the way, Mike Flynn is not some Internet, celebrity or conservative activist. He was a three star general. He was the head of an intelligence agency, was the number two guy for all American intelligence. He spent his entire life working in the federal government and succeeding at that, so he knows what he's talking about. He is a reliable guide to how the government actually works. Our whole conversation with Mike Flynn, by the way, is on Tucker Carlson. It's coming out Monday on Fox Nation, but.