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Everything You Need to Know about the Government's Mass Censorship Campaign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRYSKaS-XtQ&t=0s Tucker Carlson 1.55M subscribers Feb 16, 2024 Rosa Luxemburg Quote: "There is no democracy without socialism, and no socialism without democracy" in the jpg attachment. Outline The national security state is the main driver of censorship and election interference in the United States. "What I'm describing is military rule," says Mike Benz. "It's the inversion of democracy." Transcript 0:00 the defining fact of the United States is freedom of speech to the extent this country is exceptional it is 0:06 because we have the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights, we have freedom of conscience we can say what we really 0:12 think there is no hate speech exception to that just because you hate what somebody else thinks you cannot force 0:18 that person to be quiet because we are citizens not slaves but that right that 0:23 foundational right that makes this country what it is that right from which all other rights flow is going away at 0:30 high speed in the face of censorship now modern censorship there is no resemblance 0:35 to previous censorship regimes in previous countries and previous eras our 0:40 censorship is affected based on fights against disinformation and Mal 0:46 information and the key thing to know about these is they are everywhere and of 0:51 course they have no reference at all to whether what you are saying is true or not in 0:57 other words you can say something that is factually accurate inconsistent with your own conscience and in previous 1:04 versions of America you had an absolute right to say those things but because someone does not like them or because 1:09 they are inconvenient to whatever plan the people in power have they can be denounced as 1:15 disinformation and you could be stripped of your right to express them either in person or online in fact expressing 1:21 these things can become a criminal act and is and it is important to know that this is not just the private 1:27 sector doing this these efforts are being directed by the US government which you pay for and at least 1:32 theoretically own it is your government but they are stripping your rights at very high speed most people understand 1:39 this intuitively but they don't know how it happens how does censorship happen what are the mechanics of it Mike Benz 1:47 is we can say with some confidence the expert in the world on how this happens 1:53 Mike Ben had the Cyber portfolio at the state department he is now executive director of foundation for freedom 1:59 online and we are going to have a conversation with him about a very specific kind of censorship by the way we cannot recommend strongly enough if 2:05 you want to know how this happens Mike Benz is the man to read but today we just 2:12 want to talk about a specific kind of censorship and that censorship that emanates from the fabled military-industrial complex from us 2:19 defense industry in the foreign policy establishment in Washington that is significant now because we are on the 2:24 cusp of a global war and so you can expect censorship to increase dramatically and so with that here is 2:30 Mike Benz executive director of foundation for freedom online Mike thanks so much for joining us and I and 2:36 I just cannot overstate to our audience how exhaustive and comprehensive your knowledge is on this topic it is almost 2:42 it is almost unbelievable um and so if you could just walk us through how the 2:47 foreign policy establishment and defense contractors and DOD and just the 2:52 whole cluster the constellation of Defense related publicly funded institutions stripped from us our 2:58 freedom of speech sure you know one of the easiest ways to start the story is really with the story of 3:05 Internet freedom and it switched from internet freedom to internet censorship because free speech on the internet was 3:12 an instrument of statecraft almost from the outset of the privatization of the internet in 3:17 1991 uh we quickly discovered through the uh efforts of the defense department 3:24 the state department and our intelligence services that people were using the internet to congregate on 3:30 blogs and forums and Free Speech were championed more than anybody by the 3:35 Pentagon the state department and our sort of CIA cutout NGO blob architecture 3:43 to support dissident groups around the world to help them overthrow authoritarian governments as 3:50 they were sort of build essentially the internet free speech allowed 3:55 kind of insta regime change operations uh to be able to facilitate the foreign 4:01 policy establishment's State Department agenda Google is a great example of this Google began as a DARPA Grant uh by 4:10 Larry page and Sergey Bren when they were Stanford PhDs and they got 4:16 their funding as part of a joint CIA NSA program to chart how quote birds of a 4:22 feather flock together online through search engine aggregation and then one year later they launched Google and then 4:29 became a military contractor quickly thereafter they got Google Maps by purchasing a CIA satellite software 4:35 essentially uh and the ability to track to use free speech on the internet as a 4:42 way to circumvent State control over media over in places like Central Asia 4:48 or all around the world was seen to be able to do what used to be 4:54 done out of CIA station houses or out of embassies or consulates in a way that that that was totally turbocharged and 5:03 all the internet free speech technology was initially created by our National Security State vpns virtual 5:09 private networks to hide your IP address tour the dark web to be able to buy and trail uh sell Goods anonymously 5:17 end-to-end encrypted chats all these things were created initially as DARPA projects or as joint CIA NSA projects to 5:24 be able to help intelligence backed groups to overthrow governments that 5:30 were causing a problem uh to the Clinton Administration or the Bush Administration or the Obama Administration and this plan worked 5:37 magically from about 1991 until about 2014 uh when there began to be an about 5:44 face on internet freedom and its utility now the high Watermark of the sort of internet free speech moment was the Arab 5:50 Spring in 2011 2012 when you had this one by one all the adversary 5:56 governments of the Obama Administration Egypt Tunisia all began to be toppled in Facebook revolutions and Twitter 6:03 revolutions and you had the state department working very closely with the social media companies to be able to 6:09 keep social media online during those periods there was a famous phone call from Google's Jared Cohen to Twitter to 6:17 uh not do their scheduled maintenance so that uh dis so that the preferred opposition group in Iran would be able 6:23 to use Twitter uh to uh to win that election so it was an in free speech was an instrument of statecraft from the 6:29 National Security State to begin with all that architecture all the NOS the relationships between the tech companies 6:36 and the National Security State had been long established for freedom in 2014 after the coup in Ukraine There Was 6:44 An Unexpected counter coup where Crimea and the Donbass broke away and they 6:49 broke away with essentially a military back stop that NATO was highly unprepared for at the time they had one 6:56 last hail Mar chance which was the Crimea annexation vote on uh in in 7:02 2014 uh and when the hearts and minds of the people of Crimea voted uh to join 7:08 the Russian Federation that was the last straw for the concept of free speech on 7:13 the internet in the eyes of NATO as they saw it the fundamental nature of War changed at that moment and NATO at that 7:20 point declared something that they first called the Jasim Moff Doctrine which is named after this Russian military 7:26 General uh who they claimed made a speech that the fundamental nature of War has changed you do not need to win 7:32 military skirmishes to take over Central and Eastern Europe all you need to do is control the media and the social media 7:38 ecosystem because that is what controls elections and if you simply get the right Administration into power, they 7:44 control the military so it is infinitely cheaper than conducting a military war to Simply conduct an organized political 7:51 uh influence operation over social media and Legacy Media an industry had been 7:56 created that spanned the Pentagon the British Ministry of defense and Brussels into an organized political 8:05 Warfare outfit essentially infrastructure that was created initially stationed in Germany and in 8:11 Central and Eastern Europe to create psychological buffer zones basically to create the ability to have the 8:17 military work with the social media companies to censor Russian propaganda 8:22 or to censor domestic right-wing populist groups in Europe who are rising 8:28 in political power at the time because of the migrant crisis so you had the systematic targeting by our state 8:33 department by our IC by the Pentagon of groups like Germany's afd the 8:38 alternative for deuts land there and for groups in Estonia Latvia Lithuania now 8:44 when Brexit happened in 2016 it was that was that was this crisis moment where suddenly they didn't 8:51 must worry just about Central and Eastern Europe anymore it was coming Westward this idea of Russian control 8:57 over hearts and minds and so at that was Brexit was June 2016 the very next month 9:03 at the war at the Warsaw conference NATO formally amended its Charter to 9:09 expressly commit to hybrid Warfare as their as this new NATO capacity so they 9:15 went from you know basically 70 years of Tanks to this explicit capacity 9:22 building for censoring tweets that they were deemed to be Russian proxies 9:27 and again, it is not just Russian propaganda this was these were now Brexit groups or groups like Mato 9:32 Salvini in in Italy uh or in Greece or in Germany or in Spain with the Vox 9:38 party and now at the time NATO was publishing white papers saying that the biggest threat NATO faces is not 9:45 a military Invasion from Russia it is losing domestic elections across Europe in to all these right-wing 9:52 populist groups who because they were mostly working-class movements were campaigning on cheap Russian energy at a 9:58 time when the US was pressuring this energy diversification policy and so they made the argument after Brexit now 10:06 the entire rules-based international order would collapse unless the military took control over media because Brexit 10:11 would give rise to fit in France with Marine Le Pen to spit in Spain with the Vox party to it exit in in Italy to 10:18 greit in Germany to greit in Greece the EU would come apart so NATO would be 10:24 killed without a single bullet being uh being fired and then not only that now 10:29 that NATO's gone now there is no enforcement arm for the international monetary fund the IMF or the World Bank 10:35 so now the financial stakeholders who depend on the battering ram of the National Security State would basically 10:40 be helpless against governments around the world so from their perspective if the military did not begin to censor the 10:47 internet every all the democratic institutions and infrastructure that gave rise to the modern world after 10:53 World War II would collapse so you can imagine the re later Don Trum the 2016 10:59 election so you well you just told a remarkable story that I have never heard anybody explain as lucidly and crisply 11:05 as you just did but did anyone at NATO or anyone at the state department pause for a moment and say wait a second, we've 11:12 just identified our new enemy as democracy within our own countries I think that is what you are saying they 11:18 they feared that the people the citizens of their own countries would get their way and they went to war against that 11:24 yes, now you know there is a rich history of this dating back to the Cold War you know the cold war in Europe was 11:30 essentially a similar a similar struggle for hearts and minds of people especially in Central and Eastern Europe 11:37 yes, you know in these sorts of you know Soviet buffer zones and you starting in 11:42 1948 the National Security State was really established then you know you had the 1947 act which established the 11:49 Central Intelligence Agency you had uh you know this this new world order that 11:54 had been created with all these international institutions and you had the 1948 UN Declaration on human rights 12:00 which forbid the territorial acquisition by military force so you can no longer 12:05 run a traditional military occupation government in the way that that we could 12:11 in 1898 for example when we took the Philippines everything had to be done through a sort of political 12:17 legitimization process whereby there is some ratification from the hearts and minds of people within the country 12:24 now often that involves simply put puppet politicians who are groomed as leaders by our state department but the 12:31 battle for hearts and Minds had been something that we had been giving ourselves a long moral license leash if 12:39 you will uh since 1948 one of the Godfathers of the CIA George Kennan at 12:44 uh 12 days after we rigged the Italian election in 1948 by stuffing ballot boxes and working with the mob, we P 12:51 published a memo called the inauguration of organized political Warfare where he said listen uh it is a mean old world out 12:58 there we at the CIA just rigged the Italian election we had to do it because if the Communist won maybe there would never be 13:03 another election in Italy again so uh but it is effective guys uh we need a department of dirty tricks to be 13:10 able to do this around the world and it is essentially a new social contract we are constructing with the American 13:16 people because this is not the way we have conducted diplomacy before but we are now forbidden from using the war 13:21 department in 1948 they also renamed the war department to the defense department so again as part of this this diplomatic 13:27 Onslaught for political control rather than it looking like it is over military control but essentially what ended up 13:34 happening there is we created this foreign domestic firewall we said that we have a department of dirty tricks to 13:40 be able to rig elections to be able to control media to be able to meddle in the internal affairs of every other plot 13:47 of dirt in the country but this this sort of sacred dirt on which the American Homeland sits will uh they are 13:54 not allowed to operate there the state department the defense department the CIA are all expressly forbidden from 14:00 operating on us soil of course this is so far from the case it is not even funny but uh but that is because of a number of 14:07 laundering tricks that they have developed over 70 years of doing this but essentially there is there was no moral 14:12 quandary at first with respect to the creation of the censorship industry when 14:17 it started out in Germany and in and in Lithuania and Italy and Estonia and in 14:23 Sweden and Finland uh there began to be a more diplomatic debate about it after 14:29 Brexit and then uh it was it became Full Throttle when Trump was elected and what 14:36 Little Resistance there was washed over by the rise and saturation of 14:42 Russia gate which basically allow them to not have to deal with the moral 14:47 ambiguities of censoring your own people because if Trump was a Russian asset you 14:53 no longer really had a traditional Free Speech issue it was a national security issue it was only after Russia gate died 14:58 died in uh in July 2019 when Robert Mueller basically choked on the stand 15:03 for 3 hours and revealed he had absolutely nothing after two and a half years of investigation that the foreign 15:10 to domestic Switcheroo took place where they took all this censorship architecture spanning DHS the FBI the 15:18 CIA the DOD the DOJ and then the thousands of governments funded NGO and 15:25 private sector mercenary firms were all basically transited from a foreign FOC 15:30 from a foreign predicate a Russian disinformation predicate to a democracy predicate by saying that disinformation 15:37 is not just a threat when it comes from the Russians It is an intrinsic threat to democracy itself and so by 15:43 that they were able to launder the entire democracy promotion regime change toolkit uh just in time for the 2020 15:49 election it I mean it is almost beyond belief that this has happened I mean my own father worked for the US 15:56 government in this business in the information War against the Soviet Union and you know was a big part of that and 16:03 the idea that any of those tools would be turned against American citizens by the US 16:10 government was I think I want to think was Unthinkable and speak 16:15 1988 and you are saying that it is there really has not been anyone who is raised objections and it is just it is absolutely 16:22 turned inward to manipulate and rig our own elections as we would in say ltia yeah well as soon as the Democracy 16:28 predicate was established you had this professional class of professional regime change artists and operatives 16:34 that is the same people who argued that you know we need to bring democracy to Yugoslavia to get and that is the 16:40 predicate for getting rid of you know Moscovici or any other country around the world where we basically overthrow 16:46 governments to preserve democracy well if the Democracy threat is home grown now then that 16:54 becomes uh you know then then suddenly these people all have new jobs moving on 16:59 the on the US side and I can go through a million examples of that but one thing on what you just mentioned 17:05 which is that you know from their perspective they 17:10 just were not ready for the internet 2016 was really the first time that social 17:17 media had reached such maturity that it began to Eclipse Legacy Media I mean 17:22 this was a long time coming I think folks saw this building from 2006 17:27 through 2006 you know uh internet 1.0 did not even have social media from 1991 to 2004 17:34 there was no social media at all 204 Facebook came out 2005 Twitter 2006 17:40 YouTube 2007 the smartphone and so and in that initial period of social media 17:45 nobody was getting subscribers ships at the level where they competed with Legacy news media but over the 17:53 course of being you know so initially even these dissident voices within the US 17:58 uh even though they may have been loud uh in moments they never reached 30 million followers they never 18:06 reached you know um a billion Impressions a year type thing as an uncensored mature ecosystem allowed 18:15 citizen journalists and independent voices to be able to out compete Legacy 18:20 news media this induced a massive crisis both in our military and in our state 18:26 department and intelligence Services I give a great example of this in 2019 at meeting of the German 18:33 Marshall fund which is you know an institution that goes back to the US uh 18:38 basically, um I do not want to say bribe but the essentially the soft power economic soft power projection in Europe 18:45 as part of the Reconstruction of European governments after World War II to be able to essentially pay them uh 18:52 with Marshal fund dollars and then in return they basically were under our Thumb in terms of how they Recon 18:58 constructed uh but the German Marshall fund held a meeting in 2019 they held a million of these frankly but 19:05 where they were a four-star general uh got up on the panel and said that uh 19:12 that the what happens he posed the question what happens to the to the US 19:19 military what happens to the National Security State when the New York Times is reduced to a medium-sized Facebook 19:25 page and he posed this thought experiment as an example of we have had 19:31 these Gatekeepers we have had these bumper cars on Democracy in the form of a of a 19:38 century old relationship with Legacy Media institutions I mean our mainstream media is not in any shape and 19:45 form even from its outset independent from the National Security State from the state department from the war 19:51 department uh you know you had the initial uh all the initial uh Broadcast News companies NBC ABC and CBS 19:59 were all created by office of War information veterans from the from the war Department's effort in World War II 20:05 you had the you had these operation Mockingbird relationships from the 1950s through the 1970s those continued it 20:12 using the National Endowment for democracy and the privatization of intelligence capacities 20:18 in the 1980s under Reagan uh there is all sorts of CIA read reading room memos you 20:23 can read even on cia.gov about those continued media relations throughout the 1990s 20:28 and so, you always had this backdoor relationship between the Washington Post the New York Times and all the major 20:35 broadcast media corporations by the way you know Rupert Murdoch and fox are part of this as well you know Rupert 20:41 Murdoch was part of the National Endowment for democracy Coalition in 1983 when it was formed as 20:47 a way to Pro to do CIA operations in an aboveboard way after the Democrats were 20:52 so ticked off at the CIA for manipulating student movements in the 1970s but essentially there was no CIA 21:01 intermediary to random citizen journalist accounts there was no Pentagon back stop you could not get a 21:07 story killed you could not have these favors for favors relationship you could not promise access to some random 21:13 person with 700,000 followers who has got an opinion on Syrian gas and so this 21:19 induced and this was not a problem for the initial period of social media from 2006 to 2014 because there were never 21:27 dissonant groups that were big enough to be able to have a mature enough ecosystem on their own and all the 21:34 victories on social media had gone uh in the way of the where the money was which was from the state department and 21:40 the defense department and the intelligence services but then as that maturity happened you now had this this 21:46 situation after the 2016 election where they said OKAY now the entire international order might come undone 70 21:54 years of unified foreign policy from Truman until Trump are now about to be broken and we need the same analog 22:03 Control Systems we had to be able to put bumper cars on bad stories or bad political movements through Legacy Media 22:10 relationships and contacts we now need to establish and consolidate within the social media companies and the initial 22:17 predicate for that was Russia gate but then after Russia gate died and they used a simple democracy promotion 22:22 predicate then it gave rise to this multi-billion-dollar censorship industry that joins together the 22:29 military-industrial complex the government the private sector the Civil Society organizations and then this vast 22:36 cobweb of media allies and professional fact cheer groups that that serve as this sort of Sentinel class 22:42 that surveys every word on the internet so can you give us and thank 22:49 you again for this almost unbelievable explanation of why this is happening can you give us an example of how it happens 22:57 how just and just pick one among I know countless examples of how the National Security State lies to the population 23:06 censors the truth um in real life yeah so you know we have this state 23:11 department outfit called the global engagement Center which was created by a guy named Rick Spangle who described 23:17 himself as Obama's propagandist and chief he was the undersecretary for public affairs which is essentially the 23:24 Rel which is the liaison office role between the state department and the 23:29 mainstream media so this is basically the exact Nexus where government talking points about war or about diplomacy or 23:36 statecraft get synchronized with mainstream media may I add something to that is someone I know Rick Spangle he 23:43 was at one point a journalist um and Rick Spangle has made public arguments against the First Amendment and against 23:49 free speech and some on it and he published an opad in 2019 he wrote a whole book on it and he you know he made 23:56 the argument that that we just you know went over here that essentially uh the fir the Constitution 24:03 was not prepared for the internet and uh we need to get rid of the First Amendment uh accordingly and you know he 24:10 described himself as a free speech absolutist when he was the managing editor of Time Magazine and even when he 24:16 was in the state department under Obama uh he started something called the global engagement Center which was the 24:22 first government censorship uh operation within the federal government but it was 24:28 fore in facing so it was okay now at the time they used the uh the Homegrown Isis 24:34 predicate threat for this and so it was very hard to argue against the idea of the state department uh having this 24:41 formal coordination partnership with every major Tech platform uh in the US 24:46 because the you know at the time there were these Isis attacks that were and we were told that Isis was recruiting on 24:53 Twitter and Facebook and so the global engagement Center was established essentially to be a state department um 25:00 entanglement with the social media companies to basically put bumper cars on their ability to uh to platform 25:06 accounts and to and one of the things they did is they created a new 25:11 technology which is it's called natural language processing it is an artificial 25:17 intelligence machine learning uh ability to create meaning out of words in order 25:23 to map everything that everyone says on the internet and create this vast topography of how communities 25:30 are organized online who the major influences are what they are talking about what narratives are emerging or 25:36 trending and to be able to create this sort of network graph uh to know who to Target and uh and how 25:43 information moves through an ecosystem and so they began plotting the language you the prefixes the suffixes the 25:49 popular terms the slogans that Isis uh folks were talking about on Twitter when 25:55 when Trump won the election in 2016 um uh everyone who worked at the state 26:01 department uh was expecting these promotions to the White House National Security Council under Hillary 26:07 Clinton who I should remind uh viewers you know was also Secretary of State under Obama ran the state 26:13 department but these folks were all expecting promotions on November 18th November 8th 2016 and were 26:20 unceremoniously uh put out of jobs by a guy who was a 20 to1 Underdog according to the New York Times the day of the 26:26 election and when that happened these State Department folks took their special set of skills coercing 26:33 governments uh to C to for sanctions the state department led the uh the effort 26:39 to sanction Russia over the Crimea annexation in 2014 these State 26:44 Department diplomats did an international road show to pressure European governments to pass censorship 26:50 laws to censor the right-wing populist groups in Europe and as a boomerang 26:55 impact to censor populist groups who were Affiliated in the US so you had folks who went 27:02 from the state department directly for example to the Atlantic Council which was which was this major facilitator uh 27:09 between the government uh between government-to-government censorship the Atlantic council is a group that is one 27:15 of Biden's biggest political backers, they uh they build themselves as NATO's think tank so they represent the 27:22 political census of NATO and in many respects when NATO has uh Civil 27:28 Society actions that they want to be coordinated to synchronize with military action a region the Atlantic 27:34 Council essentially is deployed to consensus build and make that political action happen within a region of 27:40 interest to NATO now the Atlantic Council has seven CIA directors on its board a lot of people do not even know 27:46 that seven CIA directors are still alive Lo alone all concentrated on the board of a single organization that's 27:52 kind of the heavyweight in the censorship industry they get annual funding from the Department of Defense the state department and CIA cutouts 27:59 like the National Endowment for democracy the Atlanta Council in January 2017 moved immediately to pressure 28:05 European governments to pass censorship laws to create a transatlantic flank ATT tank on Free Speech in exactly the way 28:12 that Rick Spangle essentially called for to have us mimic European censorship laws one of the ways they did this was 28:20 by getting Germany to pass something called Nets DG in August 2017 which was which was essentially kicked off 28:26 the era of uh of automated censorship in the US what net GG required was unless 28:34 social media platforms wanted to pay a $54 million fine for each instance of speech each post left up on their 28:41 platform for more than 48 hours that had been identified as hate speech um they would they would be fined basically into 28:48 bankruptcy when you aggregate 54 million over tens of thousands of posts per day and the safe haven around that was 28:56 if they deployed artificial intelligence-based censorship Technologies which had been again 29:01 created by DARPA to take on Isis to be able to scan and ban speech 29:07 automatically and this was this gave you know I call these weapons of mass deletion these are essentially the 29:12 ability to censor tens of millions of posts with just a few lines of code and 29:18 the way this is done is by aggregating basically the field of 29:23 censorship science fuses together two disparate groups of studs if you will there is the sort of political and social 29:30 scientists who are the sort of thought leaders of what should be censored and then there are the sort of quants if you 29:36 will these be the programmers the computational data scientists computational Linguistics every 29:41 University there is over 60 universities now who get federal government grants to do this censorship uh the censorship 29:48 work and the censorship preparation work where what they do is they create these code books of the language that people use the same way they did for Isis they 29:55 did this for example with covid they created these covid lexicons of what dissident groups were saying about 30:01 mandates about masks about vaccines about high-profile individuals like Tony Fauci or um or 30:09 uh Peter Dashiki or any of these others protected VIP individuals whose reputations had to be protected online 30:16 and they created these code books they broke things down into narratives the Atlanta Council for example was a part 30:21 of this this government funded Consortium something called the virality project which mapped 66 different 30:28 narratives that dissidents were talking about around covid everything from Co Origins to vaccine efficacy and then 30:35 they broke the down these 66 claims into all the different factual sub claims and then they plugged these into these 30:42 essentially machine learning models to be able to have a constant World heat map of what everybody was saying about 30:49 covid and whenever something started Trend that was bad for what the Pentagon wanted or was bad for what Tony Fauci 30:55 wanted they were able to take down tens of millions of posts they did this in the 2020 election with mail and ballots 31:01 it was the same ask I am sorry I just got to have there is so much here and it is so shocking so you are saying the 31:09 Pentagon our Pentagon the US Department of Defense censored Americans during the 31:16 2020 election cycle yes, they did this they oh they did this through the so 31:23 there are the two most censored events in human history I would argue to date are the 2020 election and the covid-19 31:32 pandemic and I'll explain you know how I aired there so the 2020 31:38 election was determined by mail and ballots and I am not weighing into the substance of whether mail and ballots 31:43 were or were not a legitimate or safe and reliable form of voting that's a completely independent topic from my 31:51 perspective than the censorship issue one but the censorship of mail and ballots is really one of the most 31:57 extraordinary stories in our American history I would argue what happened was 32:02 is you had this plot within the Department of Homeland Security Now this gets back to what we were talking about 32:08 with the state Department's Global engagement Center, you had this group within the Atlanta Council and the foreign policy establishment which began 32:15 arguing in 2017 for the need for a permanent domestic censorship government office to serve as a quarterback for 32:23 what they called a whole of society counter misinformation counter disinformation Alliance that just means 32:29 censorship the counter Mis or disinformation but the whole their whole society model explicitly proposed that that we need 32:36 every single asset within Society to be mobilized in a whole of society effort 32:42 to stop misinformation online it was that much of an existential threat to democracy and so it but they 32:49 fixated in 2017 that it had to be centered within the government because only the government would have the clout 32:55 and the coercive threat powers and the and the perceived authority to be able to tell the social media companies what 33:02 to do to be able to summon an NG a government funded NGO swarm to create that media surround sound to be able to 33:09 arm a tin you knows an AstroTurf army of fact Checkers and to be able to liaison and connect all these different 33:16 censorship industry actors into a cohesive unified hole and the Atlanta Council initially proposed with this 33:22 blueprint called forward defense it is not offense it is forward defense guys they Al proposed that running this out 33:28 of the state Department's Global engagement Center because they had so many assets there who were so effective at censorship under Rick Spangle Steed 33:36 under the Obama Administration but they said oh we are not going be able to get away with that because we do not really have a national security 33:41 predicate and it is supposed to be foreign facing we cannot really use that hook unless we have a sort of National Security one then they contemplated 33:48 parking at the CIA and they said Well there is two reasons we cannot do that CIA is foreign facing we 33:54 cannot really establish a Counter Intelligence threat to bring it home domestically also we are going to need essentially tens of thousands of people 33:59 involved in this operation spanning this whole society model you cannot really run a clandestine operation that way so they 34:06 said OKAY well what about the FBI they said Well the FBI would be great it is domestic but the problem is the FBI is 34:11 supposed to be the intelligence arm of the justice department and we and what we are dealing with here are not acts of 34:18 lawbreaking it is basically support for Trump or if you know if a leftwing populist had risen to power Like Bernie 34:24 Sanders or Jeremy Corbin I have no doubt they would have done in in the UK they would have done the same thing to him there they targeted Jerry Jeremy Corbin 34:30 and other leftwing populist Natok skeptical groups in Europe but in the US, it was it was all Trump and so 34:37 essentially what they said is well the only other domestic intelligence Equity we have in the US besides the FBI is the 34:43 DHS so we are going to essentially take the CIA¡¯s power to rig and bribe foreign 34:49 media organizations which is a power they have had since the day they were born in 1947 and we are going to combine that 34:56 with the power with the domestic jurisdiction of the FBI by putting it at DHS so DHS was basically deputized it 35:05 was empowered through this obscure little cyber security uh agency to have the combined powers that the CIA has 35:12 abroad with the jurisdiction of the FBI at home and the way they did this how did a cyber an obscure little cyber 35:18 security uh agency get this power was they did a funny little series of 35:24 switchers so this little thing called sisa they did not call the disinformation governance board they did not call it the 35:30 censorship agency they gave it an obscure little name that no one would notice called the cyber security and 35:35 infrastructure Security Agency who his founder said we just security we care about security so much it is in our name 35:41 twice you know everybody sort of closed their eyes and pretended you know that is what it was but it was created by 35:46 AC of Congress in 2018 because of the perceived threat that Russia had hacked 35:52 the 2016 election had physically hacked it and so we had need we needed the cyber security power uh to be able to 36:00 be able to deal with that and essentially on the heels of a CIA memo on January 6 2017 and a same day DHS 36:07 executive order on January 6 2017 arguing that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election and a DHS mandate 36:14 saying that elections are now critical infrastructure you had this new power within DHS to say that cyber security 36:21 attacks on elections are now our purview and then they did two cute things 36:27 one they said Cy they said Mis dis and Mal information online are a form of 36:35 cyber security attack they are a Cyber-attack because they are happening online 36:40 and they said Well actually Russian disinformation is we are protecting democracy in elections we 36:47 do not need a Russian predicate after Russia gate died so just like that you had this cyber security agency be able 36:54 to legally make the argument that you your tweets about mail and ballots if you undermine public faith and 37:00 confidence in them as a legitimate form of voting was now you were now conducting a Cyber-attack on us critical 37:07 infrastructure by articulating misinformation on Twitter and just like 37:12 that now what they did then is they in other words complaining about election fraud 37:18 is the same as taking down our power grid yes you could literally be on your toilet seat at 9:30 on a Thursday 37:26 night and tweet I think that mail and ballots are illegitimate and you were 37:31 essentially then caught up in the crosshairs of the Department of Homeland Security classifying you as conducting a 37:38 Cyber-attack on us critical infrastructure because you were doing misinformation online in the Cyber realm 37:45 and misinformation is a Cyber-attack on Democracy when it undermines public faith and confidence in our 37:53 Democratic elections and our Democratic institutions they would end up going far beyond that they would define democratic institutions 38:00 uh as being another thing that was a cyber security attack to uh to undermine and lo and behold the mainstream media 38:06 is considered a democratic institution that would come later what ended up happening was in the advance of the 2020 38:12 election and starting in April of 2020 although this goes back before you had this essentially never Trump neocon 38:19 Republican DHS working with essentially NATO on the National Security side and 38:26 they and essentially the DNC if you will uh to use DHS as the launching point 38:32 for a government coordinated Mass censorship campaign spanning every 38:38 single social media platform on Earth to pre- censor the ability to 38:44 dispute the legitimacy of mail and ballots and here is how they did this they aggregated four different 38:50 institutions uh Stanford University the University of Washington a company called graa and the Atlanta Council now 38:58 all four of these institutions the centers within them were essentially Pentagon cutouts you had uh 39:05 you had at the Stanford AET Observatory it was run by Michael McFall if you know Michael McFall, he was the US 39:12 ambassador to Russia under the uh under the um Obama administration and he 39:18 personally authored A 7ep playbook for how to successfully orchestrate a color 39:23 Revolution that is and part of that involved have maintaining total control over media and social media juicing up 39:30 the Civil Society outfits uh calling elections IL legitimate in order mind 39:36 you all these people were professional Russia Gators and professional election delegitimizes in 2016 and then I will get to that in a sec 39:43 so, Stanford University of the nominally the Stanford Aon Observatory under Michael M McFall was run by Alex 39:50 Stamos who was formerly a Facebook executive who coordinated with odni and the 39:56 with respect to uh Russia gate you know taking down Russian propaganda at 40:02 Facebook so this is another uh liaison essentially to the National Security State and under Alex Damos at Sanford 40:09 Observatory was Renee Desta who started her career in the CIA and wrote the Senate intelligence committee report on 40:16 Russian disinformation and there are a lot more there that I will leave I will get to another time but the next 40:21 institution was the University of Washington which is essentially the Bill Gates University in Seattle who is headed 40:28 by Kate Starbow who uh is basically three generations of military brass who 40:33 got our PhD in crisis informatics essentially doing U you know social media surveillance for the Pentagon and 40:40 getting you know DARPA funding and and working essentially with the National Security State then repurposed 40:46 to take on mail and ballots the third firm Graphica got $7 million in Pentagon grants uh and got their start as 40:54 part of the pentagon's manure initiative the manure initiative is the psychological warfare research center of 41:00 the Pentagon they this group was doing social media spying and 41:06 narrative mapping for the Pentagon until the 2016 election happened and then were repurposed into a partnership with 41:13 the Department of Homeland Security to censor you know 22 million Trump tweets uh pro-Trump tweets about mail and 41:19 ballots and then the fourth institution as I mentioned was the Atlantic Council who has got seven CIA directors on the board so one after another 41:26 it is exactly what Ben Rhys described during the Obama era as the blob the 41:31 foreign policy establishment it is e the it is the defense department the state department or the CIA every single 41:38 time and of course this was because they were they were threatened by Trump's foreign policy and so while much 41:45 of the censorship looks like it is coming domestically it is by our foreign facing Department of dirty 41:50 tricks color Revolution blob who are professional government Toppers who were then basically descended on the 2020 41:57 election now they did this the they explicitly said the head of this election Integrity partnership on tape 42:04 and my Foundation clipped them and it's been played before Congress and it's in you know a part of the Missouri 42:10 V Biden lawsuit now but they explicitly said on tape that they were set up to do 42:16 what the government was banned from doing itself and then they articulated a multi-step framework to coers 42:23 all the tech companies to take censorship AC they said on tape the tech companies would not have done but for 42:29 their pressure which involved using threats of government Force because they were the deputized arm of the government 42:35 they had a formal partnership with the DHS they were able to use DHS 's proprietary domestic disinformation 42:41 switchboard to immediately talk to top brass at all the tech companies for takedowns and they bragged on tape about 42:47 how they got the tech companies to all systematically adopt a new terms of service speech violation ban called 42:54 delegitimization which meant any tweet any YouTube video any Facebook post any 42:59 Tik Tok video any Discord posts any twitch video anything on the internet 43:05 that that uh undermined public faith and confidence in the use of mail and ballots or early voting drop boxes or 43:14 or ballot tabulation issues on Election Day was a prim of fascia uh terms of 43:19 service violation policy under this new delegitimization policy that they only adopted because of pass through govern 43:26 pressure from the election Integrity partnership which they bragged about on tape including the grid that they used 43:31 to do this and simultaneously invoking threats of government breaking them up or government stopping doing 43:37 favors for the tech companies unless they did this as well as inducing crisis PR by working with their media allies 43:43 and they said the government DHS could not do that themselves and so they set up this this basically constellation of State 43:50 Department Pentagon uh and IC networks to run this preens censorship 43:56 Campaign which by their own math had 22 million tweets on Twitter alone and REM you that they just on 15 platforms this 44:03 are hundreds of millions of posts which were all scanned and banned or throttled 44:08 so that they could not be Amplified or they existed in a sort of limited State Purgatory or had these frictions fixed 44:14 to them in the form of factchecking labels where you could not actually click through the thing or you had to it was it was an inconvenience to be able to 44:20 share it now they did this s months before the election because at the time they were worried about the 44:26 perceived legitimacy of a Biden victory in the case of a so-called red Mirage 44:31 blue shift event they knew the only way that Biden would be able to was would win mathematically uh was through 44:38 the disproportionate Democrat use of mail and ballots they knew there would be a crisis because it was going to look 44:43 extremely weird if Trump looked like he won by seven states in no you know uh 44:49 and then 3 days later it comes out the election switch I mean that that would put the election crisis of 44:55 the Bush Gore election uh on a level of steroids that the National Security State said Well the public will not 45:02 be prepared for so what we need to do is we need to in advance we need to pre-censorship 45:25 do look very bad uh you know and especially when you combine this with the fact that this is 45:31 right on the heels of the impeachment the Pentagon LED CIA LED impeachment you 45:38 know it was uh Eric Sarala from the CIA and it was the vermin from the Pentagon 45:43 uh who led the impeachment of trump in late 2019 over uh you know an alleged 45:49 phone call around withholding Ukraine Aid this same network which came 45:54 straight out of the Pentagon uh hybrid Warfare network uh military censorship 46:00 Network created after the first you know Ukraine crisis in 2014 were the lead 46:06 architects of the uh Ukraine impeachment in 2019 and then essentially came back on steroids as part of the 2020 election 46:14 censorship operation but you know from their perspective I mean it certainly 46:19 looks like the perfect crime these were the people DHS at the time had actually 46:24 federalized much of the national election INF uh um uh Administration 46:29 through this January 6 2017 uh executive order from outgoing 46:35 Obama um DHS head Jed Johnson uh which essentially wrapped all 50 states up 46:41 into a formal DHS partnership so DHS was simultaneously in charge of the administration of the election in many 46:46 respects and the censorship of anyone who challenged the administration of the election uh this 46:53 is like you know putting essentially the defendant uh of a trial uh as the judge 46:59 and jury of the trial it was but you are not describing democracy I mean you are describing a country in which democracy 47:05 is impossible what I am essentially describing is military rule I mean this is I mean what has happened with the rise 47:11 of the censorship industry is a total inversion of the idea of democracy itself you know de democracy sort of 47:18 draws its legitimacy from the idea that it is uh ruled by consent of the people 47:25 of the people being ruled that is it is not really being ruled by an Overlord because the government is just 47:30 our will expressed by our consent with who we vote for um the whole push after 47:36 the 2016 election and after Brexit and after a couple of other you know social media run elections that went the wrong 47:43 way from what the state department wanted like the 2016 Philippines election uh was to completely invert 47:50 everything that we described as being the underpinnings of a Democratic Society in order deal with a threat of 47:56 free speech on the internet and what they essentially said is we need to redefine democracy from being about the 48:02 will of the voters to being about the sanctity of democratic institutions and who are the in the Democratic 48:08 institutions oh it is us you know it's the military it's NATO it's the IMF and the World Bank it's uh it's 48:15 the mainstream media uh who it is the Nos and oh the of course these NOS are 48:21 largely State Department funded or IC funded it is essentially all the Elite 48:27 establishments uh that were under threat from domestic the rise of domestic populism that declared their own 48:34 consensus to be the new definition of democracy because if you define democracy as being the strength of 48:39 democratic institutions rather than a focus on the will of the voters then what you are left with is essentially 48:47 democracy is just the consensus Building architecture within the within the Democratic institutions themselves and 48:53 from their perspective that takes a lot of work I mean I mean the amount of work these people do I mean for example we 49:00 mentioned the Atlantic Council which is one of these big coordinating mechanisms for the oil and gas industry in a region 49:07 for the for the finance and the JP Morgans and the black rocks in a region for the NOS in the region for the 49:13 media in the region all these need to reach a consensus and that process takes a lot of time it takes a lot of work and 49:19 a lot of negotiation from their perspective that's democracy is getting the NOS to agree with black 49:25 to agree with the with the Wall Street Journal you know to agree with uh you the community and activist 49:32 groups who are on boarded with respect to a particular initiative that is the difficult vote building process from 49:38 their perspective if at the end of the day a bunch of you know populist groups decide that they like a truck driver 49:45 who is popular on Tik Tok more than the you know carefully constructed consensus 49:50 of the NATO military brass well then from their perspective you know that is now an attack on democracy and this is 49:58 what this whole branding effort was and of course democracy again has that magic regime change predicate where democracy 50:05 is is our magic watch word to be able to overthrow governments from the ground up in a sort of color Revolution style 50:12 whole of society effort to topple a democratically elected government from the inside for example as we did in 50:19 Ukraine Victor Yanukovych was democratically elected by the Ukrainian people like him or hate him how I'm 50:25 not even issuing an opinion there but the fact is we color Revolution him out of office 50:30 we January 6th him out of office to be frank I mean with respect to the you had you know a state 50:36 department funded right sector Thugs and you know 5-billion-dollar worth of Civil 50:41 Society money pumped into this to overthrow a democratically elected government in the name of democracy and 50:46 they took that special set of skills home and now it is here perhaps 50:53 potentially to stay and this is fundamentally changed the nature of American 50:58 governance because of the threat of you know One Small Voice becoming popular on social media May me ask a question so 51:05 into that that group of Institutions that you say Now define democracy the 51:12 NGS um foreign policy establishment Etc. you included the mainstream media 51:18 now in 20121 the NSA broke into my private text apps and read them and then 51:26 leak them to the New York Times against me that just happened again to me last week um and I am wondering how common 51:34 that is for the Intel agencies to work with so-called mainstream media like the 51:39 New York Times to hurt their opponents well that is the function of these 51:46 interstitial government-funded non-governmental organizations and think tanks like for example we mentioned the 51:52 Atlantic Council which is you know NATO's think tank but other groups like the Aspen Institute which draws the line 51:57 share of its funding from the state department and other government agencies you know the Aspen Institute was busted 52:02 doing this same thing with the hunter Biden laptop censorship you know you had this strange situation where the FBI had 52:09 Advanced knowledge of the pending publication of the hunter Biden laptop story and then magically the Aspen 52:16 Institute which is run by essentially former CIA former NSA former FBI and 52:23 then a bunch of sorts of Civil Society Organizations uh all hold a mass 52:29 uh stakeholder simulation censorship simulation a 3-day uh conference you 52:34 know this came out and Yol Roth was there this was a big part of the Twitter file leaks and it has been mentioned in 52:40 multiple Congressional investigations but somehow the Aspen Institute uh which 52:45 is basically an addendum of the National Security State uh got the exact same 52:52 information that the National Security State spied on journalists and political 52:58 figures to obtain and not only leaked it but then basically did a joint coordinated censorship simulator in SE 53:05 in September two months before the election in order just like with the censorship of mail and ballots to be in 53:12 ready position to pre- censor anyone online amplifying a news story that had 53:18 not even broken yet the Aspen Institute so I mean which is by the way I am spent 53:23 my life in Washington it is kind of a I mean Walter Isaacson former Le of Time Magazine ran it for former president of 53:30 CNN um I had no idea it was part of the National Security State I had no idea its funding came from the US government 53:36 you are this is the first time I have ever heard that but given assuming what you are saying is true it is a little 53:41 weird that Walter Isaacson left asps to write a biography of Elon Musk 53:47 strange or no yeah, I am you know I do not know I I've I have not read that book I 53:54 from what I have heard from people it is a relatively fair treatment I you just total speculation but I suspect 54:01 that Walter Isaacson has struggled with this issue and may not even firmly fall in one place uh in the sense 54:08 that you know Walter Eisen son did a series of interviews of Rick Spangle uh 54:13 with the Atlantic Council and in in other settings uh where he interviewed Rick Spangle specifically on 54:19 the issue of uh of you know the need to get rid of the First Amendment and 54:25 the threat that free speech on social media poses to democracy now at the time I was very concerned this was between 54:31 2017 and 2019 when he did these Rick Spangle interviews, I was very concerned because Isaacson expressed what seemed 54:38 to me to be a highly sympathetic uh view about the Rick Spangle you know 54:43 perspective on killing the First Amendment now he did not formally endorse that position but it left me very 54:49 skittish about Isaac and but what I should say is at the time I do not think 54:54 very many people in fact I know virtually nobody in the country um uh 55:00 had any idea how deep the rabbit hole went when it came to the construction of the censorship industry and the 55:07 the How deep the tentacles had grown within the military and the National Security State to buoy and 55:13 consolidate it much of that frankly did not even come to public light until uh 55:18 until even last year you frankly some of that was galvanized by Elon Musk's acquisition in the Twitter files and the 55:24 Republican turnover in the house that allowed these multiple investigations uh the lawsuits like Missouri V Biden the 55:30 discovery process there uh and you know multiple other things like the disinformation governance board who by 55:36 the way the interim head of that you the head of that Nina Janowitz got her start uh in the censorship industry from 55:42 this exact same um clandestine intelligence Community censorship Network created after the 2014 Crimea 55:50 situation Nina Janowitz when her name came up in 2022 as part of 55:55 disinformation governance board I almost fell out of my chair because I had been tracking Nina's Network for almost 5 56:02 years at that point when her when her name came up as part of the UK inner cluster cell of a busted clandestine 56:10 operation to sensor the internet called the Integrity initiative which was created by the UK foreign office and was 56:17 backed by NATO's political Affairs uh unit to carry out this 56:23 thing that we talked about at the beginning of this of this dialogue the NATO uh sort of psychological 56:29 inoculation uh and uh the ability to kill so-called Russian propaganda or 56:35 Rising political groups who wanted uh to maintain energy relations with Russia at 56:40 a time when the US was trying to kill the Nord stream and other and other uh pipeline relations well, they did that 56:46 Marine Leen Andina Janet was a part of this this outfit and then who is the who is the 56:52 head of it after Nina Janowitz went down it was Michael cherto and Michael cherto was running the Aspen Institute cyber group and then this and 57:00 the Aspen Institute then goes on to be the censorship Simulator for the hunter Biden laptop story and then two years 57:05 later Jer off is then the head of the disinformation governance board after Nina is forced to step down yeah, a close 57:11 friends of course Michael cherto was the chairman at Bay sorry Sor of course Michael chof was the chairman of the 57:18 yeah, the largest military contractor in Europe uh Bae uh military 57:24 so you've blown my mind so many times in this conversation that I'm going to need a nap directly after it's done so 57:31 I have just got two more two more questions for you one short one a little longer short one is for people who've 57:36 made it this far an hour in and want to know more about this topic and by the way I hope you will come back whenever 57:42 you have the time um to explore different threads of the story but for people who want to do research on them 57:48 own how can your research on this um be found on the internet sure so our 57:55 foundation is foundation for freedom online.com uh we publish all manner 58:00 of reports on every aspect of the censorship industry from what we talked about with the role of the 58:06 military-industrial complex in the National Security State to what the universities are doing to you know I 58:12 sometimes refer to as digital MK Ultra there is just the field of basically the science of censorship and how and 58:18 the funding of these psychological manipulation methods to nudge people into different belief systems as 58:24 they did with covid as they did with energy and every sensitive policy issue is what they essentially had an 58:31 ambition for but so my foundation for Freedom online.com website is one way the other way is just on X uh my 58:38 handle is Mike Ben cyber I am very active there and uh publish a lot of long form 58:43 video and written content on all this I think it is one of the most important issues in the world today so it 58:48 certainly, is and so that leads directly and seamlessly to my final question um 58:54 which is about X and I am not just saying this because I post content there but I think objectively it is the last big 59:00 platform that's free or sort of free or freer you post there too um but you 59:06 know we are at the very beginning of an election year with a couple of different Wars unfolding 59:12 simultaneously uh in in 2024 so do you expect that that PL platform can stay 59:18 free for the duration of this year it is under an extraordinary an extraordinary amount of pressure and that pressure is 59:24 going to continue to mount as the election approaches um Elon Musk is a 59:29 unique individual and he has a unique buffer perhaps when it comes to 59:34 the National Security State because the National Security State is quite reliant on um on Elon Musk 59:42 properties whether that's for the uh the electrical you know the sort of the Green Revolution when it comes to Tesla 59:49 and uh and the Battery Technology there when it comes when it comes to SpaceX uh the state department is 59:54 hugely dependent on SpaceX uh because of its unbelievable uh sort of 1:00:02 pioneering and saturating presence in the field of low earth orbit satellites 1:00:07 that uh are basically how our Telecom you know system runs to things like star link there are dependencies 1:00:13 that the National Security state has on Elon Musk I am not sure he would have as much room to negotiate if he had become the 1:00:20 world's richest man selling you know at a lemonade stand uh so there's 1:00:25 and if the National Security State goes too hard on him by invoking something like cifas to sort of 1:00:31 nationalize some of these properties I think the shock wave that it would send to the international investor Community would be irrecoverable at a time when 1:00:37 we are engaged in great power competition uh so they are trying to kill you know they are trying to sort of induce a I 1:00:43 think a sort of corporate regime change through uh a series of things involving a sort of death by a th000 paper cuts I 1:00:50 think there are seven or eight different um justice department or SEC or FTC 1:00:55 investigations into Elon Musk properties that all started um after his acquisition of X but then what 1:01:02 they are trying to do right now is what I call the transatlantic flank attack 2.0 you know we talked in this in this 1:01:08 dialogue about how the censorship industry really got its start when a bunch of State Department Exiles uh who 1:01:14 we are expecting promotions took their special set of skills in coercing European countries to pass uh sanctions 1:01:20 on themselves to cut off their own leg to spite themselves uh to pass sanctions on Russia they ran back that 1:01:27 same Playbook with doing a road show for censorship instead for sanctions we are now witnessing you know transatlantic 1:01:34 flank attack 2.0 if you will which is because they have lost a lot of their federal government leg uh powers to do 1:01:40 this same censorship operation they had been doing from 2018 to 2022 in part because the house has totally turned 1:01:47 on them in part because of the media and part because Missouri V Biden which won a slam dunk case actually Banning 1:01:53 government censorship at the trial court and Appel Court levels is now between the uh before The Supreme Court they've 1:01:59 now moved into two strategies one of them is state level uh censorship 1:02:05 laws California just passed a new law which the censorship industry totally drove from start to finish around 1:02:11 require they call it transform plat you know platform accountability and transparency which is basically forcing 1:02:18 you know Elon Musk to give over the kind of narrative mapping data that these 1:02:24 conduits and Pentagon cutouts were using to create these weapons of mass deal and these abilities to just censor 1:02:30 everything at scale because they had all the internal platform data Elon Musk took that away they are using state laws 1:02:35 like this new California law to crack that open but the major threat right now is the threat from Europe uh with 1:02:41 with you know something called the uh the EU Digital Services act which was cooked up in tandem with folks like 1:02:49 news guard which is run by you know which has a board of Michael Hayden head of the CIA NSA for four-star General Rick 1:02:55 Spangle is on that board uh you know from the state Department's propaganda office Tom Ridge is on that 1:03:00 board from the from the Department of Homeland Security oh and Anders fog rasm is on that board uh he was the uh 1:03:06 General Secretary of NATO under the Obama Administration so you have NATO the CIA the NSA four-star General DHS and 1:03:12 the state department working with the EU to craft the censorship laws that now 1:03:18 are the largest existential threat to X other than potentially ex Advertiser boycotts because there is now 1:03:24 disinformation is now banned as a matter of law in in in the EU and the EU is a bigger market for X than the US there's 1:03:31 only 300 million some people in the US there is 450 million in Europe X is now forced to comply with this brand-new law 1:03:38 that just got ratified this year uh where they either need to Forfeit 6% of their Global annual revenue to the EU to 1:03:45 maintain operations there or put in place essentially the kind of you know 1:03:50 CIA bumper cars if you will that I have been describing over the course of this to have an internal mechanism to 1:03:57 censor anything that the EU which is just a proxy for NATO uh deems to be 1:04:02 disinformation and you can bet with 65 elections around the around the globe this year um you can you can predict 1:04:08 every single time what they are going to Define disinformation as so that is the main the main fight right now is dealing with the transatlantic flank 1:04:15 attack from Europe I have said this five times but that is just one of the most remarkable stories I have ever heard and 1:04:20 I am grateful to you for bringing it to us Mike Ben's executive director of the foundation for freedom online and I hope 1:04:27 we see you again thanks 1:04:33 Tucker free speech is bigger than any one person or any one organization societies are defined 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