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華人基督教神學的劣根性
送交者: oldfish 2024年01月17日20:56:32 於 [彩虹之約] 發送悄悄話
“人成為神”無非就是要把人也整成“神人二性”——與至高者同等
送交者: 謹守 2024月01月17日11:35:29 於 [彩虹之約] 發送悄悄話

回  答: 人成為神的經文 由 克利西亞 於 2024-01-17 07:28:09


看到上面這段話真的要昏倒。。。。。自己把自己的救贖否認掉了,還那麼開心?可見,精神類疾病是非常可怕的。

事實上,亞他那修在解釋《尼西亞信經》的《尼西亞定義護文》裡面就說的非常清楚:

也就是說,基督透過取得與我們一樣被造的人性(身體)成為一個被造的人,再將這個被造的人性獻給父神,好叫我們有得救的盼望。而,基督【作為一個人】,就是第一個【被神化】的人,讓我們也能夠【被神化】。而對於亞他拿修而言,得救=神化,這已經是現在學術界的共識。

華人基督教就是有唐崇榮這類不讀書,大嘴巴亂講教義的騙子,下面有謹守這種不讀書,也是大嘴巴亂講教義的疑似精神病患者,才會把教義搞成這副德行。

再貼一段亞他那修的語錄吧!


亞他那修 《Contra Arianos》 2.21


70. But this would not have come to pass, had the Word been a creature; for with a creature, the devil, himself a creature, would have ever continued the battle, and man, being between the two, had been ever in peril of death, having none in whom and through whom he might be joined to God and delivered from all fear. Whence the truth shews us that the Word is not of things originate, but rather Himself their Framer. For therefore did He assume the body originate and human, that having renewed it as its Framer, He might deify it[1] (file:///C:/UDrive%20Backup/Four%20Orations/208%20Texts%20Explained;%20Sixthly,%20Proverbs%20viii.%2022,%20Continued.%20Our%20L in Himself, and thus might introduce us all into the kingdom of heaven after His likeness. For man had not been deified if joined to a creature, or unless the Son were very God; nor had man been brought into the Father’s presence, unless He had been His natural and true Word who had put on the body. And as we had not been delivered from sin and the curse, unless it had been by nature human flesh, which the Word put on (for we should have had nothing common with what was foreign), so also the man had not been deified, unless the Word who became flesh had been by nature from the Father and true and proper to Him. For therefore the union was of this kind, that He might unite what is man by nature to Him who is in the nature of the Godhead, and his salvation and deification might be sure. Therefore let those who deny that the Son is from the Father by nature and proper to His Essence, deny also that He took true human flesh[2] (file:///C:/UDrive%20Backup/Four%20Orations/208%20Texts%20Explained;%20Sixthly,%20Proverbs%20viii.%2022,%20Continued.%20Our%20Lord% of Mary Ever­Virgin[3] (file:///C:/UDrive%20Backup/Four%20Orations/208%20Texts%20Explained;%20Sixthly,%20Proverbs%20viii.%2022,%20Continued.%20Our%20Lord% for in neither case had it been of profit to us men, whether the Word were not true and naturally Son of God, or the flesh not true which He assumed. But surely He took true flesh, though Valentinus rave; yea the Word was by nature Very God, though Ario­maniacs rave[4] (file:///C:/UDrive%20Backup/Four%20Orations/208%20Texts%20Explained;%20Sixthly,%20Proverbs%20viii.%2022,%20Continued.%20Our%20Lord% and in that flesh has come to pass the beginning[5] (file:///C:/UDrive%20Backup/Four%20Orations/208%20Texts%20Explained;%20Sixthly,%20Proverbs%20viii.%2022,%20Continued.%20Our%20Lord% of our new creation, He being created man for our sake, and having made for us that new way, as has been said.

若道只是一個被造之物,這些都不會發生。因為魔鬼自己就是一個被造之物,會繼續抗爭。人們只能在兩者之間墮落到死亡之中,他們也不可能在誰或經由誰而聯於神,並從恐懼中被拯救出來。由此,真理告訴我們道並不是一個有起源之物,而是它們的塑造者。故此,祂為了它們披上了一個有起源的人類身體,並以塑造者的身份更新它,讓祂能在祂自己裡面神化(deify)它,好根據祂自己的形像,把我們帶入屬天的國裡面。因為若人與一個被造之物聯合,是不能被神化的,除非子就是神;除非那位具有祂(父)的本質和祂的真道披上身體,沒有人能夠被帶到父的面前。除非道披上的是具有人性本質的肉身(若這肉身與我們不同,我們跟它就沒有共同點),我們就無法從罪和咒詛中被拯救出來。除非那位有從父而來本質,並與祂(父)同質之道成為人,人就無法被神化。故此,那個聯合乃是這樣的,讓祂能夠把那些本質是人的與那位本質是神格的祂,聯合起來,以確立祂的救贖和神化(的工作)。所以,讓那些否認子的本質是從父而來,並於祂同質的人,也否認祂從永遠童貞的瑪利亞取得了人類的肉體。否則,不論道的本質不是神的真兒子,或祂穿上的不是真正的肉體,對人類都沒有益處。然而,祂當然取了一個真實的肉體,雖然瓦倫天奴(Valentinus)在那裡胡言亂語。如同我們已經說過的,在那個肉體裡面產生了我們新造的開始,祂為我們的緣故成了一個被造的人,並為我們被造,成為那條新路。


這個段落基本上跟上面《尼西亞定義護文》的意思是一樣的,但是有一點不同。《Contra Arianos》是亞他那修最為重要的駁斥亞流異端的作品,被公認是尼西亞正統神學的代表作品之一。亞他那修在這段話特別指出:如果基督如亞流所謂的『僅僅是一個被造』之物,那麼,基督就如同我們一樣的『需要救贖』。而,正因為救贖=神化,而只有神(God)能夠讓人成為許多的小神(gods)。所以,如果亞流派也承認基督徒能夠被神化,那麼就證明:1)基督是神;2)亞流派教義的自相矛盾和漏洞百出。再換句話說,亞他那修使用『神化』教義作為駁斥亞流和捍衛基督神性/神格的武器。

有趣的是,『天不怕地不怕』的謹守在此否認神化教義,稀里糊塗,劈裡啪啦,噰喳喳,狂妄的因為不讀書,盲目的認為所謂『神化』教義就是把人搞成『至高真神』,把基督教變成如同佛教和道教的多神論死命反對。這就是典型的『不學無術』的『神學文盲』在『否認自己的就恩』的同時,也『否認基督是神』,而把自己整成『無神論』的荒謬鬧劇。

好啦!證據擺出來了。亞他那修出場。

收工。阿門!



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