网友讨论:施洗与受洗的涵义

思齐
施洗和受洗在原文里是没有区分的,翻译不同而已
主耶稣要我们 奉父子圣灵的名 给万民施洗(Mat28:19)

圣经记载的早期教会都是 奉耶稣基督的名 施洗/受洗(Act 10:48 中文用施洗, Act2:38, Act8:12, Act8:16, Act19:5), 而原文中Mat28:19的施洗 和Act 各经节里的受洗 用的同一个字(G907)

Act 10:48 就吩咐奉耶稣基督的名给他们施洗。他们又请彼得住了几天。

早期教会为什么不 奉父子圣灵的名 而是 奉耶稣基督的名 给人施洗呢? 教会是从什么时候开始改变为 奉父子圣灵的名 的呢?

Mat 28:19 Go4198 ye therefore,3767 and teach3100 all3956 nations,1484 baptizing907 them846 in1519 the3588 name3686 of the3588 Father,3962 and2532 of the3588 Son,5207 and2532 of the3588 Holy40 Ghost:4151

Act 10:48 And5037 he commanded4367 them846 to be baptized907 in1722 the3588 name3686 of the3588 Lord.2962 Then5119 prayed2065 they him846 to tarry1961 certain5100 days.2250

Xinmin:
The same word but in different voice.
施洗: baptize, baptizing (active voice)
受洗: baptized (passive voice)

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捧一本辞典就要读通原文实在是难事，毕竟还有语法的问题。

多参考各种译本，如果他们在语法上的翻译（例如被动语态主动语态的表达上）相当一致，我们就应该扔了我们手里的辞典了。

思齐
我想区别不在施洗还是受洗,
早期教会可能真的是把 父子圣灵的名 等同于 耶稣基督的名,没有加以区分,就象那时候也没有"三位一体"的提法,估计是提出"三位一体"的神学名词后,尤其是定下圣父不是圣灵不是圣子的主张以后,才去区分 父子圣灵的名 与 主耶稣基督的名.而这以前,就是早期教会,人们的理解中这两者是一样的.

xinmin
Onoma (name) is singular in Matthew 28:19.
The singular "onoma" (name) of the plural persons Father, Son, and Holy Spirit must be the same shared "onoma" (name) of the Father, or of the Son (our Lord Jesus Christ), or of the Holy Spirit.

So baptizing in(to) the "onoma" (name) of the Lord is the same as baptizing in(to) the "onoma" (name) of the holy trinity.

We cannot extrapolate, however, that because they share one "onoma", the Father is none other than the Son who is none other than the Holy Spirit who is none other than the Father in personhood. They are one in "onoma" (name) as well as the same shared divinity (Godhead).

The holy "onoma" is shared with equal honor and privilege by all three mmembers of the holy trinity.

The question can be rephrased as
Instead of asking 早期教会为什么不 奉父子圣灵的名 而是 奉耶稣基督的名 给人施洗呢? 教会是从什么时候开始改变为 奉父子圣灵的名 的呢?

We can ask: Why did Acts record the baptism in the name of our Lord in the apostolic church age? Is that an abridged shorthand of saying the singular name of the holy trinity? Is it contrary to the direct command by Jesus as recorded in Matthew 28? Since when has the church reverted back to follow verbatim the direct command of Jesus?

思齐
你的问法更准确,
我想,早期教会可能真是没有区分这两者.