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凱瑞議員和萊斯博士精彩對答(2)
送交者: 邏輯 2013年04月06日08:32:18 於 [五 味 齋] 發送悄悄話

在凱瑞議員和萊斯博士做完精彩的有關Cole艦被襲,布什政府沒有立即反應還擊恐怖分子的問答之後。凱瑞議員要進入下一個問題,而萊斯博士認為上一個問題沒有陳述清楚,堅持問答完畢。凱瑞議員指責萊斯博士有意使用拖延戰術來迴避他的剩餘問題,但是萊斯博士堅持說清楚上一個問題,因為布什政府並沒有參與當時克林頓政府的計劃。

 

在萊斯博士說完之後,凱瑞議員表示感謝和清楚布什政府的情況,對話隨即進入下一個問題。

 

所以你看,萊斯博士並沒有用filibuster戰術一直滔滔不絕和議題無關的話,直到凱瑞議員提問時間結束。而凱瑞議員當時是指責萊斯博士試圖用filibuster,並非你suibian或者該文作者的發現。現場所有人都知道是凱瑞議員指責萊斯博士,不是你suibian的大發現。最後,凱瑞議員進入下一個提問,這說明萊斯博士並沒有使用所謂filibuster戰術。

 

總結一下:

1.國會聽證會不同於國會表決前的辯論,沒有什麼表決前無止境辯論拖延戰術這一說法。凱瑞使用這個詞,是比喻萊斯拖延時間不讓他替下一個問題。

2.國會的filibuster戰術是演說者發表長篇與表決內容毫無關係的演講。萊斯博士的回答緊扣問題,絲毫沒有拖延時間之嫌。

3.在萊斯博士回答完畢,凱瑞議員繼續提下一個問題。沒有什麼filibuster戰術。

4.凱瑞議員當面指責萊斯博士拖延時間,並非某個人的發現。

 

所以有人自作聰明說什麼萊斯博士使用拖延戰術取得國會質詢的勝利,純粹是胡說八道。

 

請看下面紅綠字體。紅字體是凱瑞,綠字體是萊斯的。

 

MR. KERREY: Well --

MS. RICE: And with all due respect to Dick Clarke, if you're speaking about the Delenda plan --

MR. KERREY: Yeah.

MS. RICE: -- my understanding is, it was, A, never adopted, and that Dick Clarke himself has said that the military portion of this was not taken up by the Clinton administration. So --

MR. KERREY: Well, let me move into another area, Doctor.

MS. RICE: So we were not presented -- I just want to be very clear on this, because it's been a source of controversy. We were not presented with a plan.

MR. KERREY: Well, that's not true. It is not --

MS. RICE: We were not presented -- we were presented with the --

MR. KERREY: I've heard you say that Dr. Clarke -- if that 25 January 2001 memo was declassified, I don't believe --

MS. RICE: That January 25 memo --

MR. KERREY: I don't --

MS. RICE: -- that January 25 memo has a series of actionable items having to do with Uzbekistan, Northern Alliance --

MR. KERREY: Let me move to another area.

MS. RICE: May I finish answering your question, though? Because this is an important point.(不過,可不可以讓我答完你的問題?因為這是個重點)

MR. KERREY: No, I know it's important. Everything that's going on here is important, but we got -- I get 10 minutes. So --

MS. RICE: But since we have a point of disagreement, I'd like to have a chance to address it.

MR. KERREY: Well, no, actually, there's going -- we have many points of disagreement with Dr. Clarke that we'll have a chance to --

MS. RICE: I think --

MR. KERREY: -- we'll have a chance to do in closed session. You can't -- please don't filibuster me. It's not fair.

MS. RICE: Do you mean --

MR. KERREY: It is not fair. I have been polite, I have been courteous. It is not fair to me. (Applause.)

MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: (Boos.)

MR. KERREY: I understand that we have a disagreement.

MS. RICE: Commissioner, Commissioner, I'm here to answer questions. And you've asked me a question, and I'd like to have an opportunity to answer it.

MR. KERREY: No, it --

MS. RICE: The fact is that what we were presented on January the 25th was a set of ideas --

MR. KERREY: Okay.

MS. RICE: -- and a paper, most of which was about what the Clinton administration had done, and something called the Delenda plan, which had been considered in 1998 and never adopted.

MR. KERREY: Okay.

MS. RICE: We decided to take a different track. We decided to put together a strategic approach to this that would get the regional powers -- the problem wasn't that you didn't have a good counterterrorism person. The problem was you didn't have approach against al Qaeda because you didn't have an approach against Afghanistan, and you didn't have an approach against Afghanistan because you didn't have an approach against Pakistan. And until we could get that right, we didn't have a policy.

MR. KERREY: Thank you for answering my question.

MS. RICE: You're welcome.

MR. KERREY: Let me ask you another question. Here's the problem that I have as I -- again, it's hindsight; I appreciate that. 讓我問你另一個問題(話題轉移了--譯者注)

But here's the problem that a lot of people are having with this July 5th meeting. You and Andy Card meet with Dick Clarke in the morning. You say you have a meeting. He meets in the afternoon. It's July 5th. As Kristen Breitweiser, who's part of the families group, testified to the joint committee -- she brings very painful testimony, I must say.

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