在凯瑞议员和莱斯博士做完精彩的有关Cole舰被袭，布什政府没有立即反应还击恐怖分子的问答之后。凯瑞议员要进入下一个问题，而莱斯博士认为上一个问题没有陈述清楚，坚持问答完毕。凯瑞议员指责莱斯博士有意使用拖延战术来回避他的剩余问题，但是莱斯博士坚持说清楚上一个问题，因为布什政府并没有参与当时克林顿政府的计划。

在莱斯博士说完之后，凯瑞议员表示感谢和清楚布什政府的情况，对话随即进入下一个问题。

所以你看，莱斯博士并没有用filibuster战术一直滔滔不绝说和议题无关的话，直到凯瑞议员提问时间结束。而凯瑞议员当时是指责莱斯博士试图用filibuster，并非你suibian或者该文作者的发现。现场所有人都知道是凯瑞议员指责莱斯博士，不是你suibian的大发现。最后，凯瑞议员进入下一个提问，这说明莱斯博士并没有使用所谓filibuster战术。

总结一下：

1.国会听证会不同于国会表决前的辩论，没有什么表决前无止境辩论拖延战术这一说法。凯瑞使用这个词，是比喻莱斯拖延时间不让他替下一个问题。

2.国会的filibuster战术是演说者发表长篇与表决内容毫无关系的演讲。莱斯博士的回答紧扣问题，丝毫没有拖延时间之嫌。

3.在莱斯博士回答完毕，凯瑞议员继续提下一个问题。没有什么filibuster战术。

4.凯瑞议员当面指责莱斯博士拖延时间，并非某个人的发现。

所以有人自作聪明说什么莱斯博士使用拖延战术取得国会质询的胜利，纯粹是胡说八道。

请看下面红绿字体。红字体是凯瑞，绿字体是莱斯的。

MR. KERREY: Well --

MS. RICE: And with all due respect to Dick Clarke, if you're speaking about the Delenda plan --

MR. KERREY: Yeah.

MS. RICE: -- my understanding is, it was, A, never adopted, and that Dick Clarke himself has said that the military portion of this was not taken up by the Clinton administration. So --

MR. KERREY: Well, let me move into another area, Doctor.

MS. RICE: So we were not presented -- I just want to be very clear on this, because it's been a source of controversy. We were not presented with a plan.

MR. KERREY: Well, that's not true. It is not --

MS. RICE: We were not presented -- we were presented with the --

MR. KERREY: I've heard you say that Dr. Clarke -- if that 25 January 2001 memo was declassified, I don't believe --

MS. RICE: That January 25 memo --

MR. KERREY: I don't --

MS. RICE: -- that January 25 memo has a series of actionable items having to do with Uzbekistan, Northern Alliance --

MR. KERREY: Let me move to another area.

MS. RICE: May I finish answering your question, though? Because this is an important point.（不过，可不可以让我答完你的问题？因为这是个重点）

MR. KERREY: No, I know it's important. Everything that's going on here is important, but we got -- I get 10 minutes. So --

MS. RICE: But since we have a point of disagreement, I'd like to have a chance to address it.

MR. KERREY: Well, no, actually, there's going -- we have many points of disagreement with Dr. Clarke that we'll have a chance to --

MS. RICE: I think --

MR. KERREY: -- we'll have a chance to do in closed session. You can't -- please don't filibuster me. It's not fair.

MS. RICE: Do you mean --

MR. KERREY: It is not fair. I have been polite, I have been courteous. It is not fair to me. (Applause.)

MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: (Boos.)

MR. KERREY: I understand that we have a disagreement.

MS. RICE: Commissioner, Commissioner, I'm here to answer questions. And you've asked me a question, and I'd like to have an opportunity to answer it.

MR. KERREY: No, it --

MS. RICE: The fact is that what we were presented on January the 25th was a set of ideas --

MR. KERREY: Okay.

MS. RICE: -- and a paper, most of which was about what the Clinton administration had done, and something called the Delenda plan, which had been considered in 1998 and never adopted.

MR. KERREY: Okay.

MS. RICE: We decided to take a different track. We decided to put together a strategic approach to this that would get the regional powers -- the problem wasn't that you didn't have a good counterterrorism person. The problem was you didn't have approach against al Qaeda because you didn't have an approach against Afghanistan, and you didn't have an approach against Afghanistan because you didn't have an approach against Pakistan. And until we could get that right, we didn't have a policy.

MR. KERREY: Thank you for answering my question.

MS. RICE: You're welcome.

MR. KERREY: Let me ask you another question. Here's the problem that I have as I -- again, it's hindsight; I appreciate that. 让我问你另一个问题（话题转移了--译者注）

But here's the problem that a lot of people are having with this July 5th meeting. You and Andy Card meet with Dick Clarke in the morning. You say you have a meeting. He meets in the afternoon. It's July 5th. As Kristen Breitweiser, who's part of the families group, testified to the joint committee -- she brings very painful testimony, I must say.