请问三
Question Three
本文针对蔡 X 对叶弟兄所陈明关于 ZXX 犯罪一事的多项反驳，逐条作出解答。目的不是控告人，而是辨明事实，使弟兄姊妹不被“似是而非、说一套做一套”的言论迷惑。
This article responds point by point to the various objections raised by Cai X regarding Brother Ye’s statements concerning the alleged misconduct of ZXX. The purpose is not to accuse or condemn any individual, but to clarify the facts as they have been presented, so that the brothers and sisters may not be misled by statements that may appear plausible on the surface but are inconsistent with the facts or with one another.
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一、关于“叶弟兄 2013 年已知情，却现在才说”
1. Regarding the Claim That “Brother Ye Knew About This in 2013 but Only Spoke About It Now”
蔡 X 说法：叶弟兄告知他 2013 年就知道这事，起初不讲是因要扶持 ZXX 工作，现在讲是因为自己生病，“神也不许他这样”，被对付了，才不得不说。
Cai X has stated that Brother Ye told him he already knew about the matter in 2013, but initially chose not to speak about it because he wanted to support ZXX’s work. According to this account, Brother Ye only began speaking about the matter after becoming ill, believing that God would no longer allow him to remain silent and that the Lord had dealt with him concerning the matter.
蔡 X 的反驳：“你讲这个话，太幼稚了。”
Cai X responded, “What you are saying is too childish.”
事实：
The Facts Presented:
1、叶弟兄实际是 2018 年，由 G 姊妹提及 ZXX 淫乱的事、经 L 弟兄确认，才得知此事，并非 2013 年。
According to Brother Ye’s account, he did not actually learn about ZXX’s alleged sexual misconduct until 2018, when Sister G brought the matter to his attention and Brother L confirmed it. He therefore maintains that he did not know about it in 2013.
2、蔡 X 口口声声讲生命，论生命，但是他对 ZXX 犯淫乱罪没有感觉，这个是生命吗？
Cai X repeatedly speaks about spiritual life and spiritual maturity. Yet if a person has little or no sense of the seriousness of alleged sexual immorality, we must honestly ask: Is this truly a manifestation of spiritual life?
3、叶弟兄生病蒙主光照是个人经历，蔡 X 讥为“幼稚”，显其对“生命经历“无知。
Brother Ye’s illness and what he describes as the Lord’s illumination through that experience are part of his personal spiritual testimony. Cai X’s characterization of this experience as “childish” reflects a fundamentally different understanding of spiritual experience and the Lord’s dealing with His servants.
4、叶弟兄起初只私信 ZXX，未获回应；ZXX 反而在训练中藉倪弟兄名目为自己背书。
At first, Brother Ye contacted ZXX privately in an effort to address the matter, but received no response. According to Brother Ye, ZXX instead invoked the name and ministry of Brother Watchman Nee during training in an effort to defend or legitimize his own position.
5、因此，才发信给十余位同工劝其停手。多数人被骂、被收买（封长老、地区使徒、带头姊妹，甚至 L 弟兄坦言靠 ZXX 发薪不敢作证），或持鸵鸟心态……。
It was only afterward that Brother Ye wrote to more than ten co-workers, urging them to stop participating in the matter. According to the information presented, many were subjected to criticism, financial or positional inducements, or other forms of pressure. Some were appointed as elders, regional workers, or leading sisters. Brother L reportedly even acknowledged that because he depended financially on ZXX, he was afraid to testify. Others simply chose not to face the matter.
6、多年盼望 ZXX 悔改，反见其变本加厉掌控上海及各地教会、排挤异议者；蔡 X 参与其中，今为保权位（苍南人称“墙头草”）倒打一耙。
For many years, Brother Ye says that he hoped ZXX would repent. Instead, according to his account, he witnessed what he regarded as an increasing exercise of control over the churches in Shanghai and elsewhere, together with the marginalization of those who expressed differing views. Brother Ye believes that Cai X participated in these matters and is now turning against those who have raised the concerns in order to protect his own position.
7、在蔡 X 的说话中，他已经承认 ZXX 有犯罪了。现在不要转移目标，不顾这个犯罪的事实，反而过来攻击讲述事实的人。
In Cai X’s own statements, he appears to acknowledge that ZXX committed wrongdoing. The focus therefore should not be shifted away from the alleged misconduct itself and redirected toward attacking the person who has brought the matter to light.
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二、关于“2017–2018 神还祝福上海，故 ZXX 无罪”
2. Regarding the Claim That “God Was Still Blessing Shanghai in 2017–2018, Therefore ZXX Could Not Be Guilty”
蔡 X 说法：那两年特会众人觉有圣灵工作，至今仍有，若有罪神必不祝福。
Cai X has stated that during the special conferences in those two years, everyone sensed the work of the Holy Spirit, and that such a work has continued to the present day. He therefore argues that if there had been serious sin, God would not have blessed the work.
事实：
The Facts Presented:
1、将“有罪”与“神祝福”混为一谈，是错误推理。基督教界比我们更兴旺、更有外表祝福的团体甚多，但其牧师犯罪仍须悔改认罪。
Equating the existence of sin with the absence of God’s blessing is an incorrect line of reasoning. Throughout the Christian world, there are organizations and ministries that appear outwardly successful and greatly blessed, yet individuals within them may still commit serious sins and remain responsible to repent and confess their wrongdoing.
2、此属“模糊策略、转移目标”，对罪无感觉，违背真理。
Using outward blessing to avoid addressing the underlying issue only creates confusion and shifts the focus away from the matter that needs to be examined. A lack of seriousness toward sin is inconsistent with biblical truth.
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三、关于“上海教会是谁建立的”
3. Regarding the Question, “Who Established the Church in Shanghai?”
蔡 X 说法：叶弟兄 2003 年才来，2006 年才同聚；此前上海已有数位弟兄工作，且始于蔡 X 青浦小家；爱主者不必争劳苦。
Cai X has stated that Brother Ye did not come to Shanghai until 2003 and did not begin gathering with others until 2006. Before that, several brothers had already been laboring in Shanghai, beginning with the home gathering connected with Cai X in Qingpu. He further stated that those who love the Lord should not contend over who labored more.
事实：
The Facts Presented:
1、2006 年 7 月开始，叶弟兄每周去青浦传福音，那时尚未宣告；蔡 X 当时与“职事站”聚会混在一起。
Beginning in July 2006, Brother Ye traveled to Qingpu every week to preach the gospel. At that time, there had not yet been a formal declaration of the church gathering. According to the account presented, Cai X was at that time also participating in gatherings associated with what was referred to as the “ministry station.”
2、2006 年 11 月，叶弟兄与 15 位圣徒起来聚会宣告，并且鼓励蔡 X，他才慢慢站住。
In November 2006, Brother Ye and fifteen saints began gathering together and made a formal declaration concerning their gathering. Brother Ye also encouraged Cai X to participate, after which Cai X gradually became established among them.
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四、关于“2018 年叶弟兄离开，是谁摆平”
4. Regarding “Who Resolved the Situation When Brother Ye Left in 2018?”
蔡 X 说法：2018 出事，叶自己回台湾，我代你摆平；叶对外说“蔡叫我回去”不实。
Cai X has stated that when the situation arose in 2018, Brother Ye returned to Taiwan on his own, and that Cai X helped resolve the situation. He further claimed that Brother Ye’s statement that “Cai told me to go back” was untrue.
事实：
The Facts Presented:
1、叶弟兄从来没有说是蔡 X 叫他回去的，是 ZXX 到处说是蔡 X 把叶弟兄赶走的，ZXX 早就知道蔡 X 的存心。今天才终于明白了。
Brother Ye has never stated that Cai X ordered him to return to Taiwan. Rather, according to Brother Ye, it was ZXX who repeatedly said that Cai X had driven Brother Ye away. Brother Ye states that he only later came to understand more clearly ZXX’s attitude and intentions toward Cai X.
2、2019 年环境来时，叶弟兄离沪是为免连累中国众教会，叶弟兄与数位弟兄（含蔡 X）交通，蔡 X 亲口说“快快离开上海”。
When circumstances became increasingly difficult in 2019, Brother Ye left Shanghai in an effort to avoid bringing further difficulty upon churches throughout China. Brother Ye communicated with several brothers, including Cai X, and according to Brother Ye, Cai X personally told him, “Leave Shanghai as quickly as possible.”
3、叶弟兄走后，非蔡摆平，乃主掌管；当时邵弟兄带领、睢弟兄担负事务，有目共睹。
After Brother Ye left, it was not Cai X who ultimately “settled” the situation. Rather, the circumstances remained under the Lord’s sovereign care. At that time, Brother Shao took the lead, while Brother Sui carried responsibility for practical matters, as many people witnessed.
4、叶弟兄走后，蔡 X 争领上海教会，推交通路会所租用，劳民伤财、圣徒怨声载道、并且触政策红线，有目共睹。
After Brother Ye’s departure, Cai X sought greater leadership over the church in Shanghai and promoted the rental of a meeting place on Jiaotong Road. According to the account presented, this resulted in significant financial and practical burdens, generated dissatisfaction among some of the saints, and raised concerns regarding the applicable policy environment at the time.
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五、关于“2022 年设长老，叶当年为何促成”
5. Regarding the 2022 Appointment of Elders
蔡 X 说法：若 2013 已知 ZXX 有问题，2022 为何极力促请 ZXX 来、设长老？自相矛盾。
Cai X has asked: If Brother Ye already knew about problems involving ZXX in 2013, why would Brother Ye have strongly encouraged ZXX to come to Shanghai and establish elders in 2022? Cai X argues that this is contradictory.
事实：
The Facts Presented:
1、2022 是 ZXX 主动要来上海并坚持设长老，叶弟兄多次劝阻未果。蔡未被列入长老，心有不甘。
According to Brother Ye’s account, in 2022 it was ZXX who actively wanted to come to Shanghai and insisted on establishing elders. Brother Ye says that he repeatedly attempted to discourage this but was unsuccessful. Cai X was not included among those appointed as elders, and according to the account presented, he was dissatisfied with this outcome.
2、叶弟兄从未“极力要求、促成”。他在上海十多年从不用“长老”、“负责弟兄”称衔，只称“服事弟兄”。
Brother Ye states that he never strongly requested or promoted the appointment of ZXX as an elder. During his more than ten years in Shanghai, Brother Ye himself generally avoided titles such as “elder” or “responsible brother,” referring instead to those serving as “brothers who serve.”
3、叶弟兄与蒋弟兄的服事原则：从零开始！传福音、照顾人、培养人；祷告求主显圣灵工作，不空降掌控。
The ministry principle shared by Brother Ye and Brother Jiang was: “Start from zero.” This meant preaching the gospel, caring for people, raising up believers, and praying for the Lord to manifest the work of the Holy Spirit, rather than bringing people in from outside and attempting to exercise control through appointed positions.
4、蔡多次暗示想进核心团队，叶弟兄以“家风是从零开始劳苦的原则，”回绝。蔡今颠倒黑白。
According to Brother Ye, Cai X repeatedly indicated that he wanted to become part of the core ministry team. Brother Ye declined based on the principle that the “family culture” should begin with laboring and serving from the ground up. Brother Ye therefore believes that the events of that period are now being presented in a way that reverses what actually occurred.
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六、关于“何莉姊妹婚事是叶介绍”
6. Regarding the Claim That “Brother Ye Introduced Sister He Li to ZXX for Marriage”
蔡 X 说法：若 2013 知 ZXX 有问题，叶为何还介绍何莉谈婚事？是叶的问题非 ZXX。
Cai X has argued that if Brother Ye already knew about problems involving ZXX in 2013, why would Brother Ye have introduced Sister He Li to ZXX for marriage? He therefore suggests that the problem was with Brother Ye rather than ZXX.
事实：
The Facts Presented:
1、叶弟兄夫妇及弟兄们当初“一致反对”，甚至拦阻何莉单独进 ZXX“城市经典”房子。
According to Brother Ye’s account, Brother Ye, his wife, and several other brothers were actually opposed to the proposed relationship from the beginning. They even attempted to prevent Sister He Li from entering ZXX’s residence at the “City Classic” complex alone.
2、当时，晓华姊妹常在聚完会后备好小米粥，请何莉服侍ZXX，此事 众人皆知。
At that time, Sister Xiaohua would often prepare millet porridge after the meetings and ask Sister He Li to serve ZXX. According to the account presented, this was known among many of those involved.
3、蔡 X 编造谎言，说成叶弟兄促成，意在将 ZXX 犯罪转嫁叶弟兄。
Brother Ye disputes the claim that he arranged or promoted the relationship. He believes that presenting the matter in this way shifts responsibility for the alleged misconduct of ZXX onto Brother Ye.
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七、关于“台湾为何风平浪静”
7. Regarding “Why Has Taiwan Remained Quiet?”
蔡 X 说法：若 ZXX 有问题，台北早该纷扰；有名望的林弟兄还去看他，故无事。
Cai X has argued that if there were serious problems involving ZXX, Taipei would have experienced significant disturbance by now. He also pointed to the fact that a well-known brother, Brother Lin, visited ZXX as evidence that there was no serious problem.
事实：
The Facts Presented:
1、林弟兄初知 ZXX 淫乱的事时，对叶弟兄说“此人的职事当弃绝”。
According to Brother Ye, when Brother Lin first learned of the alleged sexual misconduct involving ZXX, Brother Lin told him that ZXX’s ministry should be rejected.
2、一周后，ZXX 邀林弟兄赴港讲训，给讲台、威望、奉献包，林弟兄就改口说大卫犯罪仍作王为例，他也说保罗对提摩太（提前 3:2）讲的那句话，说：“一个妇人的丈夫没有错啊，他现在结婚了，是一个妇人的丈夫。” 叶弟兄问以前的那几位呢？林弟兄答：这是以前的事，不算。
According to Brother Ye’s account, approximately one week later ZXX invited Brother Lin to Hong Kong to give training. ZXX reportedly provided him with a speaking platform, recognition, and an offering package. Brother Ye says that Brother Lin subsequently changed his position and used David’s sin and continued reign as an example. He also referred to Paul’s statement in 1 Timothy 3:2 concerning being “the husband of one wife,” saying in substance that because ZXX was now married, he could be regarded as such. When Brother Ye asked about the women involved previously, Brother Lin reportedly replied that those were matters from the past and therefore did not count.
3、叶弟兄看清其“为利混乱神的道”（林后 2:17），后离台北迁高雄，故暂未外传。
Brother Ye understood this as an example of the danger described in 2 Corinthians 2:17—of handling or distorting the Word of God for personal gain. Afterward, Brother Ye left Taipei and moved to Kaohsiung, and according to his account, the matter did not immediately spread more widely.
4、台中、高雄的负责弟兄知道 ZXX 淫乱的事情以后，就拒绝工作的打发，他们也说，ZXX 若是不公开悔改，我们就不会再跟 ZXX 有任何的交通。
According to the information presented, after the responsible brothers in Taichung and Kaohsiung learned of the alleged sexual misconduct involving ZXX, they declined further ministry assignments from him. They also stated that unless ZXX publicly repented, they would no longer have fellowship or further ministry contact with him.
5、所以，人已经犯了罪又不肯悔改，还在那里辩驳、捏造谎言、转移目标来攻击叶弟兄。那些想要被重用的人就被迷惑而让大家注意叶弟兄，而不注意 ZXX 的犯罪，所以这都是撒旦的诡计，亲爱的弟兄姊妹们！要很清楚ZXX 的背后有一个撒旦的势力在控制他。
Therefore, if a person has committed serious wrongdoing and refuses to repent, yet continues to argue, deny, shift the focus, or attack the person who raises the concerns, the church must exercise great caution. Those who desire greater recognition or responsibility may be influenced to focus attention on Brother Ye rather than on the underlying allegations concerning ZXX. Dear brothers and sisters, we must therefore exercise careful spiritual discernment and be alert to the spiritual dangers that may be operating behind these matters.
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八、关于“海南房子花多少钱”
8. Regarding “How Much Was Spent on the Properties in Hainan?”
蔡 X 说法：ZXX 投资弟开宾馆、侄开商场，早年卖楼够花；海南房两处重盖共 600 多万，非传言 5000 万；蔡 X 曾劝勿盖。
Cai X has stated that ZXX had sufficient financial resources because an investor associated with him operated a hotel, his nephew operated a shopping center, and ZXX had previously sold real estate. He further stated that rebuilding two properties in Hainan cost more than six million RMB, rather than the much larger amount that had allegedly been rumored. Cai X also stated that he had advised ZXX not to proceed with the construction.
事实：
The Facts and Concerns Presented:
1、海南、上海、美国房产落何莉名下，为绑住何莉（其多次想离开）。
According to the information presented, certain properties in Hainan, Shanghai, and the United States were ultimately placed in Sister He Li’s name. Brother Ye believes that these arrangements were connected with an effort to keep her within the relationship, as she had reportedly expressed a desire to leave on multiple occasions.
2、ZXX 另给三位有肉体关系的姊妹大笔钱（封口费）
It is also alleged that ZXX provided substantial amounts of money to three other women with whom he was alleged to have had sexual relationships. Those presenting the information have characterized these payments as attempts to secure silence or provide compensation.
3、蔡 X 替其遮掩，因看重 ZXX 设立长老，动机在权。
Brother Ye believes that Cai X’s willingness to conceal or minimize these matters was connected to his interest in the elder position that ZXX could confer and the influence associated with that position.
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九、关于“蔡亲问 ZXX，答‘没做过、手没碰过’”
9. Regarding Cai X’s Question to ZXX and the Response, “I Never Did Anything; I Never Touched Her”
事实：
The Facts and Concerns Presented:
1、“手没碰过”是模糊话；叶弟兄信中提及三位姊妹（蔡 X亦有信）。ZXX 曾在叶弟兄及李建熹二位弟兄前承认与其中一位有肉体关系，并说“以后不能尽职”。
The statement “I never touched her” is ambiguous and does not necessarily address the full nature of the allegation. Brother Ye’s letter referred to three women, and Cai X also received that letter. According to Brother Ye, ZXX previously acknowledged in the presence of both Brother Ye and Brother Li Jianxi that he had had a sexual relationship with one of the women and stated that he would no longer be able to continue in ministry.
2、那位“手没碰”的姊妹（原是按摩师傅）曾对一位年长姊妹说：2006 年 ZXX 被隔离时都是她在陪同，为其解决前列腺问题与男性需要。
Regarding the woman who was said to have been “never touched,” she was reportedly a massage therapist. According to the account presented, she told an older sister that during ZXX’s period of isolation in 2006, she was the person who stayed with him and assisted him with prostate-related problems and what was described as his personal male needs.
3、2019 年 ZXX 与何莉传出婚讯后，该姊妹赴克利夫兰特会；结束前 ZXX 支开叶弟兄与 G 姊妹，单独给其支票（传 10–20 万美金），（听说 ZXX 替她购公寓付头款。）
After news emerged in 2019 that ZXX and Sister He Li were going to marry, this woman reportedly attended a conference in Cleveland. Before the conference ended, ZXX allegedly arranged for Brother Ye and Sister G to leave and then gave the woman a personal check reportedly in the range of $100,000–$200,000. There is also a report that ZXX helped her purchase an apartment and paid the down payment.
4、若“手没碰”而给巨款、房产，理不合。蔡 X 甘被欺哄并传扬，显其“口头生命、行为另一套”。
If there truly had been no physical relationship whatsoever, yet substantial financial gifts and property arrangements occurred, those circumstances at minimum warrant careful examination rather than being dismissed simply by saying, “I never touched her.” The concern raised is that words and actions should be examined together rather than separately.
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十、关于“叶说不出人名，无法核对”
10. Regarding the Claim That “Brother Ye Cannot Provide the Names, So the Allegations Cannot Be Verified”
蔡 X 说法：问过叶弟兄，不讲；要联系方式不给，无从判别。“你说的这些姊妹，到底是谁？”
Cai X has stated that he asked Brother Ye for the names of the women involved, but Brother Ye would not provide them. He also said that without contact information there was no way to verify the allegations, asking, “Who exactly are these women you are talking about?”
事实：
The Facts Presented:
1、叶不点名是为护受害者；诸姊妹收封口费，难出面。事实来自 ZXX 身边人及当事人汇总。
Brother Ye has stated that he chose not to publicly identify the women in order to protect those who may have been harmed. According to the information presented, some of these women may have received financial payments or faced other pressures, making it difficult for them to come forward publicly. The information being discussed has reportedly been gathered from people close to ZXX as well as from individuals directly involved.
2、另外，国内多人反映：ZXX 携何莉未结婚即同居，与其教训相悖，亦属说一套、做一套。
In addition, multiple reports from people in China have alleged that ZXX and He Li lived together before they were formally married. If accurate, such conduct would appear inconsistent with the standards he publicly taught and would therefore warrant a clear explanation from the parties involved.
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十一、关于“不能撤使徒、不能撤长老”
11. Regarding the Claim That “An Apostle or Elder Cannot Be Removed”
蔡 X 说法：使徒长老是神设，人无权撤；……
Cai X has argued that apostles and elders are appointed by God and therefore cannot be removed by human beings.
事实：
The Facts and Principles Presented:
1、ZXX 犯淫乱而不悔改，本非真使徒；所以，他所设的长老亦不成立。
If the allegations concerning ZXX’s sexual immorality are established and he refuses to repent, then the fundamental question is whether he continues to meet the biblical qualifications expected of someone exercising apostolic or spiritual ministry. The legitimacy of appointments made under his authority should likewise be examined in light of Scripture.
2、蔡 X 言“不撤销”是因自己想做长老，却说“愿做普通弟兄”，话术欺哄。
Brother Ye believes that Cai X’s position concerning “not removing” such appointments should also be considered in light of his reported desire to become an elder while at the same time saying that he was willing to remain an ordinary brother. Rather than relying on assumptions about anyone’s motives, the church should examine the actual words, actions, and circumstances involved.
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结论
Conclusion
1、凡在 ZXX 工作编制内：全职同工、盼被重用者、被封长老职位者、被幼稚道理欺哄者，皆自然维护 ZXX、打击叶弟兄。此乃是结党、分门别类、排除异己。
According to the concerns presented in this article, those who are within ZXX’s ministry structure—including full-time workers, those hoping to receive greater responsibility, those appointed to elder positions, and those influenced by one-sided teaching—may face strong incentives or pressures to defend ZXX and oppose Brother Ye. If such a pattern continues, it can lead to factionalism, division, and the exclusion of those who hold different views.
2、愚民政策：ZXX 及其拥护者吩咐人，不要听、不要信、不要传……如同“国王的新装”，主怜悯！
When people are instructed simply to “do not listen, do not believe, and do not pass it on,” without being given an adequate opportunity to examine the facts and evidence, an environment can develop in which only one voice is permitted to be heard. We should therefore be careful not to allow fear, personal interests, or group pressure to prevent believers from seeking and examining the truth.
3、我们争战的对象不是蔡 X 或 ZXX 本人，而是其背后黑暗权势。愿弟兄姊妹刚强站立，为真理慎思明辨，求主赐胆量、智慧，分辨似是而非之举，求主怜悯祂的教会。阿们。
Our struggle is not ultimately against Cai X or ZXX as individuals, but against the spiritual darkness and forces of evil that may be operating behind these matters. Dear brothers and sisters, may we stand firm in the Lord, carefully discern all things in light of the truth, and ask the Lord to give us courage, wisdom, and spiritual discernment to recognize what is true and what merely appears to be true. May the Lord have mercy upon His church and preserve His people in truth, love, and righteousness.
Amen.
