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jael：神聆聽信的人禱告也聽不信的人的禱告,我一直這麼人為,但被我的教會批了,我的牧師堅持人為神只聆聽信的人禱告,不信的人被罪隔決開了,是他說的那樣嗎?
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羅七：沒那麼簡單，還要看神的旨意，人的信心等等。約拿是信的人嗎？尼尼微人是信的人嗎？神為啥聽尼尼微人的禱告而不聽約拿的呢？

就算是信的人，禱告的時候難道就不會有罪阻攔？難道就一定有信心？就算是不信的人，他禱告神的時候難道不算有信心？要是神不聽，大家沒信前的禱告就全沒有用了。

當然啦，身為基督徒，應當竭力保守自己不被罪所玷污，保守自己的信心，好使禱告更符合神的旨意，以達上聞。

jael：要是神不聽，大家沒信前的禱告就全沒有用了。我當時就是那麼反對的,可是他們馬上說,是神開啟了死靈魂,不是你那時的禱告他聽了,是他讓你有了信心用耶酥來包裹你,所以----

羅七：什麼叫“用耶穌來包裹”啊？聽着咋這麼黑話呢？

10:13 因為“凡求告主名的，就必得救。”
10:14 然而人未曾信他，怎能求他呢？未曾聽見他，怎能信他呢？沒有傳道的，怎能聽見呢？
10:15 若沒有奉差遣，怎能傳道呢？

次序是：聽道--信--求告(禱告)--得救--罪得赦免。
明明是信而禱告後得救的，還愣說“不是你那時的禱告他聽了”。那何必還把禱告放進來呢。

jael：have clothed yourselves with Christ.

你說張伯立冰天雪地里求神的時候,他聽了道了沒有?那時他信了沒有?可是他自己寫的他那時候求告(禱告)得以不死,活着離開大陸,

算了,大家一說,我覺得我的問題本身好象有毛病.

知音：就是in Christ的意思
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遙投：如果這“不信的人”是指外邦人請參考歷代志下：

6:32 論到不屬你民以色列的外邦人、為你的大名、和大能的手、並伸出來的膀臂、從遠方而來、向這殿禱告．

6:33 求你從天上你的居所垂聽、照着外邦人所祈求的而行．使天下萬民都認識你的名、敬畏你、像你的民以色列一樣．又使他們知道我建造的這殿、是稱為你名下的。

jael： Isaiah 59:2But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.

Galatians 3:26
You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

我的牧師說神不聽人的禱告,因為Isaiah 59:2,但是受Christ洗信的人的禱告他聽,因為耶酥Galatians 3:26.你的這段經文,我認為有力地回擊了他,我想辦法指給他看,謝謝

遙投：其實關鍵的問題是要分清神的主權和神的應許

神聽不聽外邦人的禱告本是屬於神的主權的問題，不是我們憑一兩句經節推理就能推出的。

好比說吧，我到一弟兄家去做客，他做了麻婆豆腐給我吃，結果讓我看到了他做的很埋汰，滿臉的汗水都滴進鍋里去了，我就拒絕吃他的麻婆豆腐。

另外一次一個姐妹招待我們做客，她的麻婆豆腐做的非常美味可口，我是食指大動，正想一飽口福呢。不幸的是前面招待過我麻婆豆腐的那位弟兄也在場，他根據上次我沒有吃他的麻婆豆腐，愣說我不喜歡吃那道菜，從我的面前把菜搬走了。想象到這兒，我真想踹他一腳：）因為他已經嚴重地干涉了我的主權。

談到神的應許，那就是另外的一個問題，我們可以牢牢地抓住神的應許不放，因為神答應給我們的，神一定會給我們。

所羅門王就很會和神談條件，將神主權里的事情轉成神的應許，在他的獻殿禱告中，他向神開出的那些條件對以色列今後的命運起了非常關鍵的作用。沒有時間展開談，但是我們記住一點就行，神的主權絕不能干涉，神的應許一定要牢牢抓住。
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xinmin：Both are wrong! Or only partially right.

(1) Does God listen to an unbeliever's prayer? Yes, as long as he begins to pray in faith! God is more than willing to hear any sinners to call out the Lord's name in humility and faith. In fact, every believer must have their very first such prayer of conversion to be heard by God. Otherwise we can never come into the right relation with God. Does God listen to an unbelievers' selfish prayer out of disbelief? Absolutely not. This is not to say that God does not care him no matter what he prays. That is due to God's grace, not man's prayer.

(2) Does God listen to a believer's prayer? Of course, as long as he prays, again, in faith? What happens when a believer prays without faith? God will not listen! The bible is clear about this.

Thus, God can listen to both unbelievers and believers (you are right on this part), as long as they pray in faith (your pastor was right on this faith prerequisite). But you forgot the faith condition. He forgot that an unbeliever could also begin to pray in faith, which God would gladly listen. He also forgot that a believer's praye would not be taken if any such prayer is not of faith.
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知音: 說到點子上了，關鍵是faith

思齊: 關鍵是神的計劃,因為連faith也是只有神給你你才有的,如果不是神早就計劃了,神沒有給你這個faith你自然就沒有faith
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jael: 經你這麼一說,我覺得這是個問錯了的問題,哈哈
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childofgod: how can a unbeliever pray in faith (of whom)?is that unbeliever with faith a believer?is that believer without faith an unbeliever?

xinmin: The mystery of faith.

Faith is part of God's grace also. Even freewill is part of God's grace. But we exercise our freewill to do good in faith, or do bad without faith.

When a nonbeliever (the moment prior to exercising his God-given faith) prays to God in faith (the very moment of exercising his God-given faith), he turns himself 180 degree and become a new believer in faith.

When a believer (who generally exercise his God-given faith after the intial conversion) prays to God in poor faith or even momentary lack of faith, he is momentarily displeased by God for he behaves as if he is like an nonbeliever.

Thankfully a believer will never dwell in this faith-lacking status for too long, otherwise he will NOT be saved (remember our discussion earlier on this continuing faith leading to salvation). Again that is due to the grace of God. That is what we call from faith to faith. A believer will continue in faith, despite spotty momentary lack of it during his life's journey.

Faith is not necessarily a gift that is dished out little by little by God. I personally believe that God has already given everyone the faith capacity to exercise their will of obedience to God. It is up to them to respond to God's love with love in faith. That is prevenient grace per Armenianism.

Thus, a nonbeliever can and should pray to God in faith upon the prompting from the holy spirit. Likewise, a believer can and indeed do reject the prompting of the holy spirit, grieving the holy spirit in the process and showing a lack of faith.

childofgod: this is much clearer. the oq is mysterious only when one has ambiguous meanings of (some of) the keywords: prayer, non/believer, and God's-listening.
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知音: 既然不信，如何談得上“禱告”？如果一個人根本就不相信禱告的對象之存在，那麼這人到底是在跟誰講話呢？這怎麼能算得上“禱告”呢？這其實是個邏輯問題。
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childofgod: be clear of these keywords: 禱告，聽，信的人，不信的人.the answer will be clear.
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清晨的翅膀: 有些事你禱告了神才會成就我想你的牧師所說的正是這一類禱告。
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coc: 我說阿你咋就那麼聽你們牧師的話呢，牧師或許在知識道理上聖經經節上了解的多一點，但是他也是人阿。要我說阿，牧師就是一個參考書，並且要甘於做參考書

GuanGuan: 嗯，有道理不僅要做參考書，也要做草稿本：)
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