读经提问:到底有没有人见过神? (网友讨论稿)
特别多谢新民和点评以及其它网友的投入。
从来没有人看见神，只有在父怀里的独生子将他表明出来。(约翰福音 1:18)
这不是说有人看见过父；惟独从神来的，他看见过父。(约翰福音 6:46)
从来没有人见过神，我们若彼此相爱，神就住在我们里面，爱他的心在我们里面得以完全了。(约翰一书 4:12)
耶和华在幔利橡树那里向亚伯拉罕显现出来。那时正热，亚伯拉罕坐在帐棚门口，举目观看，见有三个人在对面站着。他一见，就从帐棚门口跑去迎接他们，俯伏在地，说：「我主，我若在你眼前蒙恩，求你不要离开仆人往前去。容我拿点水来，你们洗洗脚，在树下歇息歇息。我再拿一点饼来，你们可以加添心力，然后往前去。你们既到仆人这里来，理当如此。」(创世纪 18:1-5)
耶和华忽然对摩西、亚伦、米利暗说：「你们三个人都出来，到会幕这里。」他们三个人就出来了。耶和华在云柱中降临，站在会幕门口，召亚伦和米利暗，二人就出来了。(民数记 12:4-5)
sunt: 能否再补充三条:
歌罗西1:15 爱子是那不能看见之神的像，是首生的，在一切被造的以先。
创32:30 雅各便给那地方起名叫毗努伊勒。〔就是神之面的意思〕意思说，我面对面见了神，我的性命仍得保全。
民12:8 我要与他面对面说话，乃是明说、不用谜语，并且他必见我的形像。你们毁谤我的仆人摩西，为何不惧怕呢？
Soccerfun: 旧约里的人看见的神我猜就是神的独生子肉身显现(道成肉身？)，根据正是老约翰的那句：“从来没有人看见神。只有在父怀里的独生子将他表明出来。”
新约揭开旧约的许多谜底。
约翰告诉人们旧约里描述的耶和华就是天父的独生子肉身显现，是神的像。
保罗也是这样认为。歌罗西1:15 爱子是那不能看见之神的像，是首生的，在一切被
造的以先。我想约翰和保罗应该很熟悉旧约，在知道了你贴的那些经文后还这么说
说明了什么？说明他们要澄清一个观念。
点评: 有无人见过神？神不是向亚伯拉罕显现吗？没有人见过神，因为神是个灵。人的污秽在神面前站立不住，见到神毕竟死。当年摩西只见到了神的背影，还是在神覆庇的情况下。当然当神以人型显现时，人可以见到显现的神，如亚伯拉罕见过，雅各见过，等等。当然耶稣基督更是被很多人见过。
羊倌儿: 是不是也得提供一些支持您论点的证据呢?
点评: 你要什么证据？
(出)33:20 又说、你不能看见我的面、因为人见我的面不能存活。

33:21 耶和华说、看哪、在我这里有地方、你要站在磐石上．

33:22 我的荣耀经过的时候、我必将你放在磐石穴中、用我的手遮掩你、等我过去．

33:23 然后我要将我的手收回、你就得见我的背、却不得见我的面。
Xinmin: OT Epiphany and NT Incarnation
Invariably, any recorded human's close encounter with God NEVER means that that person has seen, with his naked eyes under the illumination of the visible light (400-800 nm), the ultimate extradimensional and supernatural reality of God. All they saw is an image visible to our eyes, sound audible to our ears, and may or may not be explanable by our mind and logic (remember Moses saw the burning but never burnt up bush on Mount Sinai). Some call that kind of revelation by God epiphany. There are many examples in OT bible. Epiphany is a scale-down version of God's infinite vastness to accommodate our finiteness and limitation of space time.
When the OT-prophesied Messiah was born into our world, the Word (who, not it, was constantly with God and was being the very God from eternity past) became flesh, thus the miraculous incarnation. The Son of God became Son of Man, dwelling among human and full of truth and grace. Jesus is our Christ. What the early disciples and apostles saw was the humanized version of God.
No one has ever seen the truest triune God in the fullest display at the High Throne in the extradimensional heavenly home. Even what John saw with awe and recorded in Revelation was still what he could describe in human language.
羊倌儿: 您又如何理解出埃及记 34:34-35:
但摩西进到耶和华面前与他说话就揭去帕子，及至出来的时候便将耶和华所吩咐的告诉以色列人。以色列人看见摩西的面皮发光。摩西又用帕子蒙上脸，等到他进去与耶和华说话就揭去帕子。
Xinmin: Easy! Same principle.
Did Moses see God in God's infinite vastness and fullest totality at the extradimensional heavenly home or in his space time? Clearly in his space time. Then it is theophany. As simple as that!
羊倌儿: 还有出埃及记 33:11: 耶和华与摩西面对面说话，好象人与朋友说话一般。
Xinmin: Easy too! Same principle.
When Moses spoke to God face to face, that already proves to me abundantly clear that God was reveling himself in a theophany, since it is impossible for anyone to really face with God as if God cannot see our back or heart.
Again it is theophany. Moses did not at all grasp the infinite vastness and God's transcending glory.
羊倌儿: 再来一处:
出埃及记 34:29: 摩西手里拿着两块法版下西乃山的时候，不知道自己的面皮因耶和华和他说话就发了光。
若说他见的不是上帝本身，为何会有这样的变化?
Xinmin: Easy three! :-))
Of course Moses saw God, just not the fullest display of the infinitely vast and transcendental God. Moses saw God in a theophany in his own space time. He never was possible to see the totality of God.
A glimpse of God's glory even in our limited space time will change anyone for good.
Preemptive strike :-)) Let me know when you find a case that anyone has SEEN the TOTALITY of an infinitely vast and transcendental GOD at the fullest display in the extradimensional heaven. As long as it is SEEN with man's eyes, we can say confidently that he has seen theophany only. It takes God to fully see God! All man has seen is at most theophany.

编注:theophany译作"神的显现"，或"神显"。