網友討論: 有一位JDT
Normalman: 有一位JDT, 當其他的JDT說"神愛眾人, 末日審判時大部分人都會得救的."時, 她會
面紅耳赤地跳起來反駁: "有沒有搞錯 ((TYPO), 末日審判時得救的只是很少很少的
一部分人." 她的心裡認為, 不信的和信偏的人命賤如螻蟻, 不配與她這樣的福音派
精英一同得救.
這位JDT的最大願望就是能見到她的主的第二次到來, 因為她相信, 她的主第二次到
來之時, 世界的末日就到了. 在那末日審判的時候命賤如蟻 的不信的和信偏的都會
在她的主的怒火中灰飛煙滅, 只有信仰如她着方可以在她的主的庇護得以欣賞哪數
以十億計的"草蟻"被BBQ 時的奇觀.

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Xinmin: Very insightful reflection. It is a biblical mystery about the details for the fearful Day of the Lord.
If this kind of fairly educated self-reflection does not deter one (such as you) from fleeing the wrath of the Almighty, what else does?
Or perhaps, we are 命賤如蟻 if we are devoid of Imago Dei. We sinners are struggling now since we are not completely devoid of God's glory, just fall short. By the time of final judgment, the unrepentant sinners will be completely devoid of God's glory and become like Satan and evil angels. They are not only 命賤如蟻, but worth absolutely nothing.

無為: 基督徒和一般人 一樣的罪擺在神面前，不管我們說的再好, 理解的再好，離開了主耶穌 大家彼此彼此~~~~

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雅億: majority should be everyone in her mind.when Gems said "majority",she wanted to correct her at first, then she realized she better be causious, so she asked: typo?
obviously Gems understands her, for Gems responded :of course,then Gems cited the correct passage: HE died for the world (not just maojority, everyone in the world)----
unfortunately, you just proved again that: you are too shallow to understand truth.

Normalman: 南山語: Definition is the key! Since when was "majority" defined as everyone? Was it always defined as the opposite of minority?

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羅七: 你確定過她真的認為別的人“不配與她一同得救”？ 還是你推斷出來的？
如果基督徒真的被神啟示知道審判的嚴厲，他/她的反應應該是恐懼戰兢而非幸災樂禍，因為知道自己能夠逃脫完全是主的恩典。
你知道審判是有益的嗎？

Normalman: 100% sure when judging from her writing . Yes, I agree that 審判是有益 and is needed. But I do not think the JDT I mentioned will be 恐懼戰兢. Guess from what she wrote (referred other as ant, mantis etc) I guess she will be 幸災樂禍

無為: 這人沒有對待兄弟姐妹的真誠愛心~~~~（是你這麼看人家的麼？）

Normalman: "是你這麼看人家的麼？" 不是!

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Normalman: Better yet. 當數以十億計的草蟻在神的怒火中輾轉呻吟時, 她會說: "我的神是至善的, 是愛你們的."
我唯一不知道的是她會不會說: 阿門, 阿門, 再忍一回兒, 少頃烤得熟透了就不痛了.

Xinmin: Those who are opposed to the Almighty will meet their fate of their own choosing.
You must not forget that those sinners in hell will also get their own resurrected bodies that enable them to sustain the eternal fire. Never imagine that they are like a chaff that will quickly burn up.
The justice will be just right for each and every sinner to mind their own business of being tormented without the possibility of harming each other.
There is no party to speak about. BBQ party, that is.

Normalman: 謝謝你的指正. 原來他/她會說
"我的神是至善的, 是愛你們的. 阿門, 阿門, 你們忍着吧, 烤得皮焦肉爛骨頭酥也一樣會痛的---誰讓你們當初不信的."

Xinmin: More correction needed here. There will be no communication or comment about hell. Hell will be a totally forgotten place to those in heaven. God alone will bear the pain of it all, if he chooses to.

南山看客: 似乎沒有聖經依據麼. 身體更新有依據, 什麼地方有說記憶也被更新了? 天堂門口真有孟婆茶?

Xinmin: There will be no pain of any sort. I cannot imagine any emotional pain of knowing some of my friends and relatives are being tormented in hell.
Revelation
21:1 我又看見一個新天新地．因為先前的天地已經過去了．海也不再有了。
21:2 我又看見聖城新耶路撒冷由　神那裡從天而降、預備好了、就如新婦妝飾整齊、等候丈夫。
21:3 我聽見有大聲音從寶座出來說、看哪、　神的帳幕在人間．他要與人同住、他們要作他的子民、　神要親自與他們同在、作他們的　神．
21:4 　神要擦去他們一切的眼淚．不再有死亡、也不再有悲哀、哭號、疼痛、因為以前的事都過去了。
21:5 坐寶座的說、看哪、我將一切都更新了。又說、你要寫上．因這些話是可信的、是真實的。

南山看客: 但還是沒有"抹去記憶"的直接證據.

Xinmin: It goes without saying. I believe only the happy memories will be kept, if any at all.

南山看客: 我不認可. 一個慷慨大方, 甚至給了人類自由意志的神, 不會幹這種"抹去記憶"的勾當.

Xinmin: Perhaps you need to read bible more. The bible described God's forgiveness as blotting our sin and never recalling them anymore. Even God who knows everything will make himself erasing his memory of our sins.

南山看客: 嚴重不同意"抹去記憶"的臆想. 天堂里能有什麼Advanture? 永遠的Happy ending, 了無懸念, 亦無危險, 我看你怎麼編, 呵呵.

Normalman: an new version of 孟婆茶----only the happy memories will be kept

羅七: 呵呵，不知釘十字架這種酷刑算不算happy memory

Normalman: Good question, looking for a thoughtful answer to it too.

南山看客: 羅七的問題大大地有陷阱. 如果回答"是", 似乎暗示上帝有受虐的傾向.
如果回答"否", 按新民的理論, 被抹去了, 最大的榮耀也抹去了.

羅七: 新民自己挖的哦，不關我的事。

Xinmin: Paradoxically not so. Here is my take. 羅七: 不知釘十字架這種酷刑算不算happy memory
南山看客:
如果回答"是", 似乎暗示上帝有受虐的傾向.
如果回答"否", 按新民的理論, 被抹去了, 最大的榮耀也抹去了.

Normalman:
Let see how Xinmin answer this.
Xinmin's answer:
Some believe that the glorious marks of the crucifixion will remain forever with Jesus in eternal home. Even if so, the memory of emotional pain of crucifixion, if any, will only be kept in the memory of God, not of us. Will we feel grateful to Christ without identifying with his emotional pain? I think so. The reason is simple: the crucifixion marks may well become the most glorious marks there ever is, other than the glory of God.

Normalman: 一個實行愚民政策的天堂. 天堂居民們 know only the crucifixion marks is the most glorious marks there ever is in the history of heaven. But they don't know why!

羅七: 看到新民為自己信口開河出來的猜想認真地辯解就樂. 就不肯說三個字：不知道。

Normalman: 所以我說他有時象全聚得的烤鴨. 肉爛了, 皮也焦了, 就剩下一張嘴還硬翹翹的.
Of course, I have to say that sometimes his knowledge can be of great help---at least to me.

Candle: He often behaves like a kid, enjoy his different layers of living beings. He shows what he is, never covers like some mask covered men. I hate to deal with those people because you never know if you are talking to the idol image or a real person with the pretended quality or a joke.

Xinmin: I take that as a great compliment. Jesus my Lord said, the Kingdom of God is for those who become like a child.

Xinmin: Hehe, I was thinking about writing a fiction about a small band of citizens in heaven trying to dig a quantum tunnel to the lake of fire after they accidentally stumbled upon a hidden corner in the libary of heaven. The hidden corner contains all the recordings about the final judgment and the names of those who went to hell.

南山看客: 或者... 有人遞給你兩粒藥丸, 吃了紅色的, 一切照舊, 吃了藍色的, 你被抹去的記憶就會被喚醒, 然後你發現天國MATRIX和ZION背後的ZION...
這和構想很迷人, 希望你能完成寫作...
圖書館的橋段象[世界盡頭和冷酷仙境], 管理員"羊男"是聯繫過去的紐帶, 呵呵, 羊的表徵特性很強麼...

Xinmin: Someday when I get time to write. The eternal life must be full of adventures. Boredom may be the greatest attribute of life (or more appropriately living death) in hell.

側視: 神自己成為生命的活源，怎麼會有boredom？那是這個世界的事，人脫離了活水的源頭的結果。

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Gems: some of my thoughts about Christian Salvation. I went to some bad Theology seminars for the past few days (yes, they were Catholic ones). Which provoke me did some meditations about Salvation (Sounds like I don’t do it everyday:))
The Knowledge of Christian Salvation is very simple and sufficient. Everyone beyond the age of reason can understand it fully. (Note: The age of reason is defined differently in different denominations. e.g. Catholic: 7 years old, Baptist 8 years old… you get the idea). Everyone can practice it. It did not matter if you got a PhD in Theology, if you can read or write (most saints before 16 century can not), if you can read Hebrew (I confess I hate Hebrew). There’s no hidden message, no secrete experience in Christianity. Bible is plain and simple.
But there are such a human tendency of searching the secrete knowledge or practice. They thought “Once I got the knowledge, I can go to heaven, you can not, you losers.” Or “Once I got the knowledge, I won’t mess up in my life, hello! Heaven” This is so common human tendency that every religion has a version of it. Christianity: Gnostics, Judaism: Kabbalah, Agnosticism: all new age belif...
It’s so against Basic Christian principle. For Christians, the Salvation is by Grace through Our Lord Jesus Christ. It’s a free gife from God. No one deserved it no matter how hard you studied, nor how pious you are. It’s free to everyone (Republicans’ money can not buy it (Sorry, cowboy Bush) )(Joking:))
Early Christians all understand it. That’s the reason early Catholic Bishops discarded Gnostics Gospel (e.g. Gospel of Thomas...) from the Canon.
Thanks be to God!

Normalman: Great!

無為: 純粹的恩典！！！ 神會讓人領會的，不在年齡。