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沈黑都拿出国外的证据了 zt
送交者: 一剑破天 2013年02月18日18:00:06 于 [军事天地] 发送悄悄话
这是 i.e. 老大先发现透露的事情,他没有发主贴,但是看到好些人问就代劳了吧!英文太差只给出原链接,自己看吧怕翻译得一塌糊涂!随带给出i.e.的一些评价
原链接
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/avd_07_06_2012_p01-01-473997.xml
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SF被索赔的事情好像不是一两次了,狂喷血呀
http://96.0.120.63/aero/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=920&extra=page%3D1&page=2
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简单地说就是庞巴迪为了未来对中国的销路考虑,不开眼的交给了SF!结果按图纸作加工一个部件,就这还搞砸了!庞巴迪不得不又交给加拿大人干!
进度极大延后,甚至可能玩死庞巴迪
这下真的对沈飞绝望了。。。。连干粗活都搞不定!就这海空军脑子烧坏了才会看上SF的东西


Bombardier Temporarily Reassigns Key CSeries Fuselage Work
By Jens Flottau
Source: Aviation Daily

Bombardier Aerospace has temporarily reassigned responsibility for key components and work packages of its CSeries contracted to Chinese partner Shenyang Aircraft Corp. (SAC).

When Bombardier established the manufacturing system for its new 110- to 149-seat jet family, it allocated development and production of three fuselage sections—forward, center and rear—plus the empennage to SAC. It also charged the Chinese supplier with building the tail cone and wing-body fairing and center wing box.

But that work allocation has changed. Bombardier, at least temporarily, has taken fuselage assembly to Montreal, although the components are still being built in Shenyang. Industry sources also say that several of the work packages previously allocated to SAC have been temporarily transferred to Western suppliers. Spanish aerostructures specialist Aernnova confirms it has a contract with Bombardier to deliver 40 center wing boxes and tail cones for the CSeries before the work is shifted back to China. It is unclear how many sets of fuselage sections will be built in Montreal, but one aerospace executive claims about 10 aircraft could be affected.

SAC, which is mainly a combat aircraft builder, has given some of its CSeries work to its civil offshoot, SACC, which receives detail parts from SAC and builds the major assemblies for export to Canada. Reviewing the SACC business, President Pang Zhan spoke this year of such challenges as meeting customers’ ever higher demands for quality, and said his answer was to specialize. The company could not bring together the resources to properly build all parts of an aircraft, he said, so in developing its business SACC now concentrates on tail sections, doors and engine mountings, a much narrower range of work than it is conducting on the CSeries.

A representative of SAC referred Aviation Week to Bombardier.

One source with knowledge of the situation says it is “shocking that Bombardier has watched [problems unfold in China] and done nothing about it for so long.”

The contracts with Shenyang were announced in 2008 at Farnborough, two days after the formal launch of the CSeries program. In August 2009, Shenyang delivered a 23-ft. test fuselage barrel to Bombardier’s St. Laurent plant in Montreal. In March 2010, SAC started construction of the facility for building the fuselage sections. Less than two years ago, Bombardier is understood to have contacted suppliers, such as Aernnova, about stepping in temporarily to build some components. Aernnova delivered the first center wing box to Bombardier in January this year.

One aerospace executive says the cause of the problem lies in Bombardier’s supply chain management. SAC was unable to handle the manufacturer’s design tools, which are challenging when using Western data systems even without a language barrier, he says.

丢人丢的一塌糊涂。。。。

庞巴迪在沈阳有百来个人,加拿大派过去的,就是为了控制进度了质量,
可惜112板金厂水平太高了。。。人家这么死盯死守也把它搞砸了。。。


丢人啊,,,C系列用的是catia V5设计结构的,居然搞不定。

庞巴迪为了打入中国市场所以给包活。中国做的价格又不便宜。
中国用市场来换经验给沈飞。现在倒好,这个败家仔儿把东西搞砸了。

同比结构外包,成飞西飞现在做的东西(包括西飞负责的A320主翼。。。)质量非常稳定。

还有。。。中国ZF砸了4亿美元(25亿rmb)在开发C系列上。其实是砸给了沈飞。。。TMD真败家。。。丢人!
112做出来的东西有时候能与HAL有一拼。

西飞做出来的东西有时候能与空客英国Broughton有一拼。

113作出来的东西有时候能与达索的有一拼。

如果纯从管理上来看如果我是中航头早把112给重组了。

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