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因为冬天已往:有感于任弟兄多伦多布道会的现场问答及网友讨论
送交者: 因为冬天已往 2012年05月08日07:22:33 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话

首先感谢神对祂仆人一切的保守和慈爱,人生最大的福分是有神。出埃及记4:24-26曾让我反复思想很久。我想补充一个领受,与诸位分享。就是摩西并不想去埃及,所以他一直拒绝上帝的差遣。他不想回去是有理由的,法老要杀他,那里的希伯来人也要杀他。换成我们,也会和他做出一样的选择。所以他夜晚住下了,是不是像亚伯兰住在哈兰一样,不想继续前行。出埃及记是摩西的书,摩西是否自己因为抗命而有了大恐惧,觉得上帝要杀他。很多时候,这是不是我们共同的经验呢?

 

相关问答请参考:http://blog.ifeng.com/article/17705458.html

 

1、如何理解出埃及记4:24-26(24摩西在路上住宿的地方,耶和华遇见他,想要杀他。25西坡拉就拿一块火石,割下他儿子的阳皮,丢在摩西脚前,说,你真是我的血郎了。26这样,耶和华才放了他。西坡拉说,你因割礼就是血郎了)?

这是我最喜爱的圣经经文之一。我与各位分享两个话题。第一,上帝要杀摩西的根本原因是摩西拒绝作希伯来人,特别是,拒绝接受上帝与亚伯拉罕的割礼之约。换言之,他宁愿继续作埃及人。一方面,他没有给孩子行割礼;另一方面,他向流珥一家介绍自己是埃及人。出埃及记3:18-19,“她们来到父亲流珥那里,他说,今日你们为何来得这么快呢?她们说,有一个埃及人救我们脱离牧羊人的手,并且为我们打水饮了群羊。不过我愿意相信,摩西的内心是充满挣扎的。出埃及记3:22西坡拉生了一个儿子,摩西给他起名叫革舜,意思说,因我在外邦作了寄居的。我们都知道,上帝不久杀死了埃及人所有长子,这里也是提前向摩西预告,继续作埃及人或埃及王子的最终结局。信而受洗的必然得救,不信的,罪就定了。第二,神借着这场风波,更新了摩西一家。摩西、妻子和儿女都因此重生了。一个基督徒,特别是教会的领袖,特别是被差遣去埃及带领二百万人的领袖,若不更新家庭,是不可能承担这个大使命的。神重用一位仆人,首先必要重建这个家庭,将他们建造在基督的根基上,死而复活。不仅给平信徒作榜样,更是为残酷争战中的牧者提供最必要的支援。


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送交者: mean 2012月05月08日16:21:17 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话

回  答:通过下面与以西缅弟兄查经,感觉任弟兄的解释没有说服力。 由 Joshua 于2012-05-08 13:43:22

The next section (vv. 24-26) records a rather strange story. God had said that if Pharaoh would not comply he would kill his son – but now God was ready to kill Moses, the representative of Israel, God’s own son. Apparently, one would reconstruct that on the journey Moses fell seriously ill, but his wife, learning the cause of the illness, saved his life by circumcising her son and casting the foreskin at Moses’ feet (indicating that it was symbolically Moses’ foreskin). The point is that this son of Abraham had not complied with the sign of the Abrahamic covenant. No one, according to Exod 12:40-51, would take part in the Passover-exodus who had not complied. So how could the one who was going to lead God’s people not comply? The bold anthropomorphisms and the location at the border invite comparisons with , the Angel wrestling with Jacob. In both cases there is a brush with death that could not be forgotten. See also, W. Dumbrell, “Exodus 4:24-25: A Textual Re-examination,” HTR 65 (1972): 285-90; T. C. Butler, “An Anti-Moses Tradition,” JSOT 12 (1979): 9-15; and L. Kaplan, “And the Lord Sought to Kill Him,” HAR 5 (1981): 65-74. 


“to his feet”. The referent (Moses) has been specified in the translation for clarity. The LXX has “and she fell at his feet” and then “the blood of the circumcision of my son stood.” But it is clear that she caused the foreskin to touch Moses’ feet, as if the one were a substitution for the other, taking the place of the other (see U. Cassuto, Exodus, 60). 


"A bridegroom of blood". Cassuto explains that she was saying, “I have delivered you from death, and your return to life makes you my bridegroom a second time, this time my blood bridegroom, a bridegroom acquired through blood” (Exodus, 60-61). 


"referring to the circumcision". The Hebrew simply has לַמּוּלֹת (lammulot, “to the circumcision[s]”). The phrase explains that the saying was in reference to the act of circumcision. Some scholars speculate that there was a ritual prior to marriage from which this event and its meaning derived. But it appears rather that if there was some ancient ritual, it would have had to come from this event. The difficulty is that the son is circumcised, not Moses, making the comparative mythological view untenable. Moses had apparently not circumcised Eliezer. Since Moses was taking his family with him, God had to make sure the sign of the covenant was kept. It may be that here Moses sent them all back to Jethro (18:2) because of the difficulties that lay ahead.


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经上没说,不过,墨西的父母应当给他割了,

送交者: 雅1 2012月05月08日08:42:31 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话

回  答:问题:西坡拉怎么知道要割礼的? 是墨西割了还是他儿子? 由 Joshua 于2012-05-08 08:08:49

因为他被在犹太人家里养到三个月,他父母都是虔诚犹太人,应当是顺从生下来第八日、都要受割礼的古训。


Gen 17:12 你们世世代代的男子、无论是家里生的、是在你后裔之外用银子从外人买的、生下来第八日、都要受割礼。  

Gen 17:13 你家里生的、和你用银子买的、都必须受割礼.这样、我的约就立在你们肉体上、作永远的约。  

Gen 17:14 但不受割礼的男子、必从民中剪除、因他背了我的约。


西坡拉怎么知道要割礼的? 经上没说,她可以从自己的丈夫那里知道这个约,也可以从天使那里知道。


神为什么要杀他?我儿子读创的时候,我给儿子解释,那是因为他对神要他做的使命的抵挡,一而再再而三,他抵挡神的原因主要是惧怕被人抵挡(他有过靠自己行义而被人抵挡的悲惨经历),同时他不信神能够“在人不行,在神凡事都能”地做他自己想做而无法做到的事情--拯救骨肉同胞。在行神的旨意的时候,他和约拿都是被动地,虽然约拿其实是不想看到抵挡神的人便的不抵挡神了。


神要他知道抵挡神的严重后果,死。他老婆代替他从基本的顺从神的割礼开始,让他看到神的赦免,以后一步步,他也亦步亦趋顺从神,虽然临了他那一次不顺从让他无缘进入他肉体的安息--地理上的应许里。

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我的领会是墨西自己可能没有受割礼

送交者: Joshua 2012月05月08日09:46:22 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话

回  答:你怎样领会? 由 以西缅 于2012-05-08 08:38:02

所以神要杀他,西坡拉用儿子的阳皮丢在摩西的脚前的原意是皮丢在摩西的JJ上


用儿子的血染红了摩西的JJ,所以她说“真是我的血郎”那个时候的新郎要受割礼,也就是血郎。所以摩西的儿子的割礼


代替了摩西的割礼


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灵里的知道与仪文的知道不同

送交者: 以西缅 2012月05月08日08:21:43 于 [彩虹之约] 发送悄悄话

回  答:问题:西坡拉怎么知道要割礼的? 是墨西割了还是他儿子? 由 Joshua 于2012-05-08 08:08:49

西坡拉当时想的就是如何救摩西脱离被杀的境地,情急知罪。


西坡拉割的是摩西的儿子,显出她过去曾极力反对过摩西要给儿子行割礼,这回因此知道神为什么因此降怒与摩西了。






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